View Full Version : Hanachman - NYC copacker?
01-31-2006, 09:51 AM
does anyone buy Canada Dry, Snapple, Mistic from Hanachman (spelling not sure) out of nyc?
Looking to buy goods from them, i hear their prices on the above goods are very good.
Anyone know of a good source for Canada Dry, Snapple, Mistic within 100 miles of philadelphia?
Other items we could really use:
Pepsi 24 oz.
any help would be appreciated
01-31-2006, 07:38 PM
wait for fusion - he'll tell you more about em.
02-01-2006, 12:25 AM
you know me too well!
Honickman owns a series of Canada Dry/CSAB franchises, as well as two Pepsi franchises. Production facilities in Pennsauken NJ, Baltimore MD, College Point NY, and one other facility that I am unsure of. He previously also owned Concord Beverages (Elizabeth NJ and Concordville PA) as well as Vintage Seltzer.
Anyway -- he is a contract packer as well, packaging various Motts and Snapple products in his Baltimore plant (which is also known as Beverage Capital).
He's not going to sell to you on that level unless you are another franchised CSAB distributor.
He does serve the Philly area, out of the Pennsauken warehouse - but CSAB products only - not Pepsi. Pepsi is PBG in south Philly. The number I found for Pennsauken is:
I don't know about any grey market or transhipping stuff - so if you're looking for that, I can't help you.
02-01-2006, 08:12 AM
yeah what kind of distributor are you? black market?
02-01-2006, 01:13 PM
we just compete with other cash and carry's in the area. I dont think they buy anything from the local pepsi or canada dry copackers in the area.
Lots of doing deals with other guys taking coke up to NYC, and bartering for Mistic Canada Dry etc.
Even with the Pepsi 24 oz, they dont offer that for cash and carry trade. Only large supermarkets have access to those deals. So we buy trailers from other sources.
Even pepsi cans, you know how the gas stations have 2/12packs for 5 bucks? well if i want to buy legit pepsi cans 24 pack that runs me 6.50. So we buy deals from gas station owners etc in 10 pallet lots.
Its kind of sucky to have different pricing for different classes of trade, and different pricing based on metro region.
I am just trying to see what other sources are out there.
I do my best to buy from local sources
02-01-2006, 03:32 PM
That's why I said grey market. That's some shady stuff. I remember a bunch of gas stations along the NJ/NYC border being busted for selling stuff that went into NYC to be resold.
Bottlers/distributors can be fined or lose their franchises for knowingly selling product that will be resold outside of their area - but apparently some people are willing to take the chance.
According to CCNA transshipping people, Philly is the number one transshipping market in the US
02-01-2006, 09:04 PM
fusion, do you have some big book with info about all these companies or is this encyclopedic knowledge all in your head?
02-01-2006, 09:40 PM
I was in NYC about a month ago and purposely would by single beverages off the street just to check the plant code. I would estimate that over 1/3 of the product I purchased was not from the NYC bottlers. I even saw this in local Mom & Pop stores.
02-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Gee that's a ton of money going into the wrong pockets. If this type of grey market thing is going on in other major markets the loss of revenue has to be mind blowing.
02-01-2006, 10:27 PM
Book? No.. just work experience. That and reading stuff online. I usually know more about Honickman than his employees do!
With the high cost of fuel and trucking - I wonder how lucrative this business really is? Soda weighs a ton!
I hear all the time about people being busted going through Maryland with cheap cigs on their way back to NY. That just happened a few weeks ago not too far from our office.
02-01-2006, 11:50 PM
there's a lot of grey market activity in nyc because of all the foreign-owned stores have all their own distributors. fact of life.
02-02-2006, 07:28 AM
Grey market i guess is the word.
Coke philadelphia does tons of volume in transhipping mainly because pepsi out sells its products on the store shelves.
Our salespeople and their VPs know about it and have offered to help me tranship if i find the right buyer.
Pepsi south philly, BDCI pennsauken all know about it. I mention the pricing and offers, and they tell me their hands are tied. If you can get a better price elsewhere, then more power to you.
The price differences we see from merchandise coming in from baltimore, NYC is good enough to buy the product in 10 pallet lots.
I think people can get busted, when they go overboard, and start order 3x or 4x of their normal volume.
As far as corporate is concerned they are making money from it somewhere.
If you go into the foreign owned bodegas, deli etc, you will find goods with codes and plant numbers not corresponding to their local area.
I am not trying to make huge dent in the numbers to be noticeable, just enough to assist the bottom line on beverage category.