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<glitterfaerie>
02-10-2004, 03:25 PM
there have been comments in a number of bevnet reviews of artificial sweetners being a "boring" change to beverages. i see it as an awesome if not essential revolutionary move. for example, take red bull. red bull (original) has 110 calories per serving, whereas the sugar-free version has only 10 calories per serving. what you call "not a big difference" only proves the point that flavor and texture are not altered, yet caloric value is improved. now dieters and eating disordered people can enjoy the drink! (the latter note was not made to be derogatory, i myself am eating disordered...heh)

The Alternative Crow
02-11-2004, 11:18 AM
Yes, but some sweeteners to diet soda are dangerous. Take aspartame for example, they are in diet coke and diet pepsi. Drinking too much of it can give you serious problems, even death. However, the newbie sweetener, Splenda is not dangerous. It is found is Slim Jones and some other beverages. That is the only thing that's exciting, for now. (Red Bull sugarfree also has aspartame.)

[ 02-11-2004, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: The Alternative Crow ]

Thelonious Monkey
03-01-2004, 10:39 PM
Sorry, but that aspartame remark is utter bull****. If aspartame killed people then why hasn't it gotten any mainstream mention. Why no warning label, no FDA push to remove it, no NOTHING. Do you know how much diet soda gets sold in the world every day? If aspartame did anything it wouldn't be hard to find case studies. Yet there is nothing.You've been taken in by an old urban legend. If you don't believe me just read through THIS (http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp) entry at the Urban Legends Reference Pages.

BevNET
03-02-2004, 09:14 PM
Your urban legend link doesn't say that aspartame is not harmful.

Furthermore, the information is not difficult to find. Do a search on Google for "aspartame toxicity" and you will find plenty of links to sites that contain legitimate scientific data....there are toxicity studies on just about any sweetener out there.

Finally, the fact that there has been no "FDA push to remove it" means nothing...You can buy tons of things that are not good for you -- nicotine, caffeine, artificial colors and flavors, etc.

Just because a product lacks an FDA warning/disclaimer doesn't mean that it's safe. Keep in mind that food products don't go through the same testing/trials that pharma products do...so the FDA certainly may later come back and remove a product from the shelves (ephedra and saccharine are good examples).

Thelonious Monkey
03-02-2004, 10:14 PM
Bring da' proof. Just bring da' proof.

My link didn't say aspartame isn't harmful? It pretty much debunked the whole argument you're trying to make. And unlike you it provided sources. Good ones too, like FDA studies and TIME magazine articles.

Also, I don't think that nicotine, caffeine, and artificial colors and flavors have been accused of causing cancer, brain tumors, and multiple sclerosis. "Not good for you" is a bit of an understatement for some of the stuff that's being said. The guy I'm replying to even threw "death" into the list of side effects.

But you're no dummy are you? You chose your words too carefully. Toxicity? Medically speaking, a toxicity is the negative side effect that occurs when you have too darn much of somnething in your system. Like iron. Or vitamin C. Or saccharin (poor rats, may they rest in peace). Or aspartame, probably. Just for your reading enjoyment I have provided a link toTHIS (http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/5/fructose.htm) article about fructose and the many ill effects it has on your health. That's what they sweeten your "regular" soft drinks with.

I think the reason that some people will always distrust artificial sweeteners is that they give off that "too good to be true" vibe that we're all taught to be skeptical of. Tastes sweet with NO CALORIES? Why, it must be POISON!

But hey, that's your perogative. I'll drink diet Coke and die, and you can drink Coca-Cola and live forever.

BevNET
03-03-2004, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Thelonious Monkey:
Bring da' proof. Just bring da' proof.I'm not trying to dispute either side of this argument or say that consuming aspartame is instant death. My point was that you give the FDA way too much credit on guaranteeing the effects of long term use of products such as aspartame. In addition, you referenced Snopes.com (a site known for dispelling post-9/11 terrorist threat rumors) and told someone that they had been taken by an "old urban legend"....this is hardly an old issue without any recent coverage (do a search on Google or Lexis/Nexis at your local library).


Originally posted by Thelonious Monkey:
I think the reason that some people will always distrust artificial sweeteners is that they give off that "too good to be true" vibe that we're all taught to be skeptical of. Tastes sweet with NO CALORIES? Why, it must be POISON!.You are on to something, but I see a slightly different side to this which is what concerns me: People that consume products with these sweeteners treat it with the other extreme, often consuming much larger quantities of these products now that the sugars/calories have been removed. Most people can tell you about that person they know who's drinking 6-10 diet Cokes (or Pepsis) per day. That's not good for you regardless of the sweetener.

Personally, I'd rather have a product with cane sugar and without the sodium benzoate, phosphoric acid, and the other crap that you find in a can of coke....including the can.

Energydude
04-30-2004, 09:15 PM
Besides the fact that Aspartame may be harmful to your health..... there is one very important fact you cannot deny. After only 20 weeks Aspartame loses 25% of its sweetness while in the same period of time Splenda keeps all 100%. Now can you please tell me why companies use this garbage when they could simply use Splenda. Most Energy companies just don't use the best and Splenda has been proven to be the best. So forget about it!!!
Where there is smoke there is often fire!!! Go with Splenda!!! :D

<Thelonious Monkey>
05-06-2004, 12:36 AM
I've had a few drinks with Splenda (Diet Rite, Diet Cheerwine, Food Lion Diet Cola) and they all tasted kinda funky. I also tried making iced tea with it and it had a weird aftertaste too. Now, maybe it's just that I'm not used to it (it took me a while to warm up to aspartame) but Splenda ain't perfect. But, use it as you like. It's made with sugar, which is cool. I just wish they could even out the flavor a bit.

Stevia Dude
05-07-2004, 01:43 PM
Whatever happened to listening to our taste buds and if it tastes bad, don't drink/eat it?

The FDA is the last place I'd go to find out what is safe to put in my body. Is it really news that the FDA may not have the health of the American Public as its primary concern? The FDA has been successfully lobbied by Monsanto for years in order to keep stevia out of foods and beverages and to keep aspartame on the market. And now sucralose/Chlorinated sugar trademarked as Splenda? If stevia could be adulterated and trademarked, I'm sure a big mulitnational would be behind it.

Monk may want to have a look at the new aspartame individual and class action suits that have been filed in CA
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/lawsuit/

<animalism2>
05-12-2004, 03:36 PM
I know it's quite popular - and who knows, sometimes quite true given some of current Bush debacles - to cite government conspiracies, corporate lobbying, etc. to backup arguments on the lack of safety of many food products. But I keep hoping someone will take a step back and not resort to such cliched arguments. As someone who has had a some experience with both the food industry and the FDA, let me point out a couple of things.

First, companies don't lobby government agencies. Lobbying is a formal process by which groups can influence the legislature. The FDA is in the executive branch of the government and has nothing to gain or lose by changing policy for someone like Monsanto. The FDA's mandate is sent down from the Sec. of HHS and ultimately the president, if he chooses to become involved. There is no motivation for the FDA to maliciously undermine public health efforts and allow products that are harmful onto the market - in fact it's quite the opposite. The public nature of the process prevents such egregious acts from occurring for the most part. Certainly for something that has gone on for as long as the use of aspartame has. Which leads me to another important point: that the amount of documented, scientific, rigorous testing that food additives go through is very extensive and more importantly - expensive. Aspartame took 20-30 yrs. to make it to market after it was synthesized in the 1950s. Why would any company in their right mind invest such capital for a wildly unknown ROI unless it was a slam dunk? Lastly, some of the negative examples of things like Ephedra and saccharine are much longer stories that are hard to cover here. Ephedra was something the FDA faught hard against ever since the DSHEA act was passed. Congress lowered the standards for dietary supplements and hindered the FDA's ability to enforce their mission to protect the public's health. DSHEA was a poorly thought out law (unlike some opponents, i acknowledge that it had good intentions) and allowed such untested and dangerous products as ephedra to come in alongside Ginkgo Biloba and Ginseng. Saccharine's approval was the result of another special act of Congress to override the Delaney clause of the Food Additives ammendment to the FD&C. This happened because of - yes - successful lobbying. However, the FDA once again was set to enforce their policy protecting the public helath until congress stepped in.

Government agencies are hugely unwieldy beareaucracies that obviously often run slowly and inefficiently. But the EPA, HUD, FDA, and all the rest are good organizaitons that are indeed doing important and powerful work to protect, educate, and improve the lives of all of us. That may have gotten a little corny there - but look into some of these issues yourself. But please, use reputable sources (newspapers, books, and government reports) and not hearsay from internet forums and random websites.

Stevia Dude
05-13-2004, 12:36 PM
animalism, do you work for the FDA?

For additional info. on how the FDA works hand in hand with Corporations:
"In April of 1981, Dr. Arthur Hayes became the new Commissioner [of the FDA]. Searle applied again for approval of aspartame. A few months later, Dr. Hayes approved aspartame for use in dry foods. In 1983, he approved aspartame for use in diet soft drinks (The Deadly Deception 14-15). One month later, Dr. Hayes left the FDA and within three months he was working for Searle's advertising agency, Burson-Marsteller (Farber 53)."
The Deadly Deception is a book. Farber is the author of an article in Technology Review about aspartame.

Thank you though for your detailed account of "government speak"... but have you ever heard of patronage appointments? The Corporate World and Governmental Bodies are not mutually exclusive. Didn't Fox News decide who was elected President in the last election?

And by "slam dunk" do you mean "a sure way to make money" or "for the benefit of the American People"?

Many of us (especially those of us who don't live in the States) seek alternative means of getting the news in order that we prevent ourselves from living in a bubble. The Guardian UK is a good site with an interesting article on how the Sugar "Lobby" is trying to stronghold the WHO into recommending that 25% of our diets should be from sugar!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,940287,00.html

A very good example of how companies get together and lobby with coercion for policies that would undermine the health of the entire world's population.

[ 05-13-2004, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Stevia Dude ]

<deanscubs>
06-28-2004, 08:50 PM
aspartame (aka nutrasweet), sucralose (aka splenda) and every artificial sweetener have dangers, with aspartame and sucralose having the most tests done to the point, and therefore the most horrendous side effects shown by scientists. do some research instead of ripping someone for posting, we are talking about your health and the lives of everyone of your friends and family here. Isn't that worth taking a few minutes to search the internet?


aspartame is actually a mixture of chemicals, which include wood alcohol (itself proven to cause blindness) and other highly toxic ingredients.

I personally got off all aspartame products two years ago and my headaches have been cut down significantly, but you must read ingredient labels because aspartame and splenda are in thousands of food products, not just pop.

here is one letter about aspartame, and you can find thousands of more sites with detailed scientific information if you use any search engine and search aspartame toxicity, or aspartame dangers, etc.:

Aspartame - Anxiety, Depression
And Suicide Among Children
From Dr. Betty Martini
Bettym19@mindspring.com
February 12, 2004


This information will help answer a lot of questions as to why so many children are depressed and committing suicide.


Two-thirds of the population and 40% of the children in this country are using products with aspartame (NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Canderel, Benevia, E951, etc.). It is a neurotoxic drug, a deadly chemical poison, and masquerading as an additive.


The 50% phenylalanine in it as an isolate is neurotoxic and goes directly into the brain. It lowers the seizure threshold and depletes serotonin. When you lower serotonin it triggers manic depression or bipolar, mood swings, anxiety, SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, panic attacks, paranoia, hallucinations, etc. It also interacts with ALL antidepressants. In fact, it interacts with just about every drug used to treat the problems it causes. This is all discussed in the huge medical text, Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D. www.sunsentpress.com (http://www.sunsentpress.com) or 1 800 827 7991


The concern also in this country right now is obesity and diabetes. Aspartame is the cause of this in my opinion as it's a drug that makes you crave carbohydrates so you gain weight. See the protest of the National Soft Drink Association which is part of the congressional record - www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) Also read Dr. Sandra Cabot's paper: Aspartame Makes you Fatter. The Trocho Study in l998 showed the formaldehyde converted from the free methyl alcohol in aspartame accumulates in the cells and damages DNA with most toxicity in the liver. When the liver is this toxic it is even difficult to lose weight. It also showed substantial toxicity in the adipose tissue or fat cells. If you want to get fat, NutraSweet is where its at.


Dr. Roberts who wrote the medical text and declared aspartame disease to be a global plague is a diabetic specialist. He says aspartame can precipitate diabetes, aggravates and simulates diabetic retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve and can even cause diabetics to go into convulsions. It keeps blood sugar out of control and interacts with insulin.


So the epidemics of obesity and diabetes obviously are aspartame. Some schools want to remove pop machines which is wonderful but they think the obesity is coming from regular soda. Most of the obesity is no doubt coming from diet soda so when they say it's alright it just misinforms the public. Now American Water Stars wants to put aspartame water in the schools. It is a publicly traded company, new and is engaged in the beverage bottling industry. Their latest product is Hawaiian Tropic, an aspartame tropical drink. And they are using athletes to advertise this stuff and get it in schools. Go to www.wnho.net (http://www.wnho.net) and click on aspartame and read how aspartame causes an irregular heart rhythm and interacts with all cardiac medication, damages the cardiac conduction system and causes sudden death. The athletes no doubt are dropping dead for this reason. It is not the ephedra which is a wonderful product used for thousands of years. The cases were reviewed by Dr. John Olney, one of the most renowned neuroscientists in the world today and who founded the field of neuroscience called excitotoxicity. Read the ephedra story too on www.wnho.net. (http://www.wnho.net.) In one of the cases of supposedly reactions from ephedra in the FDA files some parent thought their son had a reaction because he didn't go to church and left his wife. This is the kind of stupidity the FDA uses to try and get healthful products banned so industry will get the profits as drugs. The FDA in this country has become an abomination. They know aspartame interacts with most drugs and is also a chemical hypersensitization agent so it interacts with other toxins and vaccines, fluoride, etc. Yet they do nothing. They only act when its a benefit to industry and something that harms consumer's ability to secure things needed for good health.


The point is if athletes push American Water Star's aspartame products they will use them, as well kids and schools. And little children are dropping dead along with young athletes. In the Daily Herald in Illinois on 2/10/2004, it said "The goal is to detect symptoms of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, an inherited heart disease that can lead to sudden cardiac death. It is a condition affecting roughly one in every 500 people and 90 per cent of sudden cardiac deaths involve young athletes." First of all, aspartame can trigger cardiomyopathy and there is an article about it on the web site of the World Natural Health Organization under aspartame. And while 90% seems a bit high as adult athletes as well as other consumers are also dropping dead, it makes an important point - athletes are at risk of death big time. Whoever heard of this and especially being in the news all the time before aspartame was approved. One recent cartoon showed defibrillators being distributed from a drive-in restaurant. As the Daily Herald said: "Many high schools have installed automatic external defibrillators to assist athletes who go into sudden cardiac arrest. And so many of the young are dropping dead from SCD there is even an organization called CRY about it. There is also an organization called SADD having to do with sudden death. True some cardiac problems can be inherited but few know aspartame can cause such things as cardiomyopathy, attributing to a lot of these deaths. Also, when athletes exercise they are depleting magnesium and if they only knew to use it, it would help protect the heart. But all athletes need to be warned - DO NOT TOUCH ASPARTAME (NUTRASWEET/EQUAL, ETC.) PRODUCTS IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE.


The American Water Star Company even has a product for grade school age children, Geyser Sport, sugarfree. This company needs to be investigated. Because they have made remarks against the anti-aspartame movement when questioned, it means they know about it and are marketing it anyway. Any new company checking on aspartame would know immediately of its toxicity. If you search aspartame on google it will bring up 225,000 and the first two are the Aspartame Toxicity Center, www.holisticmed.com/aspartame (http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame) and www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) which houses the Mission Possible records on this toxin including government records, the damning Center for Disease Investigation, 8 month investigation by United Press International and reports and articles from the world experts. There is the FDA report of 92 symptoms and even the FDA audit, the Bressler Report. Dr. Roberts and I both spoke to Jerome Bressler who wrote it and he said it was so bad that when the FDA retyped it they removed the 20% that was the most damning. Dr. Roberts asked his congressman to get it but, of course, the FDA refused to release it because it indicts them for covering it up. Now it becomes "confidential".


Today Mission Possible operations and activists are in 50 states and more than 22 countries of the world warning consumers off the toxin to save their life. There are aspartame detoxification centers throughout the US and a couple in other countries. There is a shelf of medical texts on the subject of aspartame toxicity and dangers. American Water Star, Inc. has to know what they are doing. They MUST BE INVESTIGATED NOW BEFORE THEIR PRODUCTS CAN CAUSE GREAT AFFLICTION. How important is it? Since aspartame can cause sudden death we must stop the "sweet demise" of our children by manufacturers who want to market this poison because they know its addictive and a cash cow. They have no concern it is destroying their brains. The methanol in aspartame is classified as a narcotic. The chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain and causes the addiction.


Imagine for a moment that all children in school were using aspartame water; they would all be affected and it has been proven that most all using aspartame would show the effects of consuming the toxin. From Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D., page 504:


"The following experience of Dr. Miguel Baret Daniel in the Dominican Republic (personal communication, Nov 19, l999) underscores the adverse mental effects of aspartame in children:


"I have been working with a pediatrician giving nutritional support to children with diabetes. Since cow's milk has a specific protein that can cause diabetes, especially in children, I removed milk from the diet of 360 children studying in public schools in my country. These 360 children were not diabetic, but I removed the milk for prevention. The pediatrician started noticing that a considerable number were having what I call a kind of "brain allergy" - showing abnormal restlessness, lack of concentration, irritability and depression. In the beginning, I suspected it was happening because of the extreme heat we were having those days. But then the weather changed, and the situation didn't get better. So I took a look at their diet and discovered that ALL of them were drinking a lot of one kind of concentrated juice sweetened with ASPARTAME. They drank about 6 oz. twice a day.


"I talked to their parents, and asked them to impress upon the children that they should not drink that juice anymore for awhile. The results were as astonish. Their symptoms disappeared within 4-5 days in ALL of them!"


Dr. Baret Daniel also called me at the time this happened. He told me that when the kids went from milk to aspartame sweetened juice it was an incredible thing to see because almost all were afflicted with these problems. Had a few demonstrated these handicaps it would have been hard to find the trigger but since almost all developed the complications he knew it had to be aspartame. That was the only change made in the diet of the children. He got on the Internet and started researching and seeing that aspartame was known for causing the reactions he was seeing he knew he had found what he was looking for. He asked for more research and when he called again he said: "I had the children stop taking aspartame juice and in about 4 days all their problems had ceased and they returned to normal. How could this stuff be approved and allowed for children? "


Dr. Roberts has also said you must consider aspartame when you think of children killing children. And he said in his text with reference to depression and suicide that the following points warrant emphasis:


* An estimated ten percent of teenagers suffer significant depression. * The relation between "junk food" and depression in children seems convincing. * The superimposition of aspartame-induced emotional reactions upon existing social and medical problems among children and teenagers could have tragic consequences. * The rate of suicide among teenagers, especially white males, is increasing. This was underscored by the l986 annual Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report.


Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. has a lecture on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) and mentions the reactions to aspartame are not allergic but toxic like arsenic and cyanide. If you don't want your children consuming arsenic you certainly need to educate them not to use aspartame.


At this point we do not know if fluoridated water is being used in these plastic bottles, but fluoride does interact with aspartame as does the plastic bottles. In a discussion with Dr. James Bowen about this "Destruction Water" he said:


"The technologically advanced US military is having problems finding soldiers who can even correctly operate the weaponry. The reason for this is a 15% FALL IN THE AVERAGE high school graduate's IQ: Due to the ineffective, medically unsound immunization program, fluoridation of the water supply, and Aspartame. We have a whole new tier of diseases engendered by these neurological damaging agents. Prominent amongst these are the MtDna diseases like Diabetes, Autism and other "Pervasive Developmental Disorders." Many high school graduates now cannot correctly perform even basic math calculations!


Not only does Aspartame damage the immune system, but genetics also, especially the Mt DNA. This has resulted in an immense epidemic of CHz, "Chemical Hypersensitivity disease." This makes it difficult or impossible to learn in much of the indoor air, as in our schools, for example. The plastics which leach into bottled waters contribute to this Aspartame engendered problem. Banning pop machines is a step in the right direction, but replacing pop with plastic bottles of Aspartame water will mean only greater intake of Aspartame, and more plastic tainted water. The Schools need to educate, and provide a proper learning environment by protecting the students from all such agents, and having them drink pure water from fluoride free drinking fountains."


Let's turn things around. For a moment imagine all aspartame products removed from the schools and the children only consuming nutritious food. Like Dr. Baret Daniel's case where all children were consuming aspartame, this is an example where all kids were not consuming aspartame. It is often called Miracle in Wisconsin. The ADD people took the worst school in Wisconsin with the most learning problems and behavioral problems and removed pop machines and vending machines with all the junk and additives. Then they put "real food" in the schools. At the end of the program the worst school in Wisconsin became the best school with zero learning problems or behavioral problems. I believe the story is on the Safe Harbor web site.


Aspartame is also a teratogen and causes birth defects and mental retardation. Aspartame has a synergistic and additive effect with MSG. Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., wrote Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills about aspartame and MSG., www.russellblaylockmd.com (http://www.russellblaylockmd.com) His new book Health & Nutrition Secrets to Save Your Life reveals all the interactions, exposes lies from industry, and tells you how to get well and improve the immune system. It's a book hard to put down. His paper on what to do if you have used aspartame is on www.wnho.net (http://www.wnho.net) You will find it under the registry of articles.


The FDA once tried to get the manufacturer of aspartame indicted under Title 18, Section 1001, as they were lying and giving misinformation, etc. Today the FDA is guilty themselves of Title 18, Section 1001. The FDA did try to keep it off the market. Searle was not indicted because both U.S. Prosecutors hired on with the defense team and the statute of limitations expired. They refused to approve it for 16 years but CEO of Searle was Don Rumsfeld, now Secretary of Defense. He said he would call in his markers and get it approved anyway. He was on President Reagan's transition team and the day after he took office he appointed Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes as FDA Commissioner. No FDA Commissioner would ever approve aspartame but Dr. Hayes was there to do just that. So the FDA set up a Board of Inquiry of their best scientists and it was the decision of the Board that aspartame was not safe and caused brain tumors. They said to revoke the petition for approval as you will see in the summation on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) Dr. Haysver-ruled the Board of Inquiry and then went to work for the PR Agency of the manufacturer and has refused to talk to the press ever since. He had accomplished what he was sent to the FDA to do. Rumor has it Dr. Hayes was paid by Burson-Marsteller $1000.00 a day, but I'm sure it can be checked out. What does an FDA Commissioner do in a PR firm? Perhaps send postcards home from Bermuda. Yes, Dr. Hayes was paid for his crime in allowing the marketing of a deadly chemical poison for human consumption.


Some years ago Fox news, Washington DC, went to Dr. Hayes home for a comment. He shut the door in face and told them to go back to the FDA. You can hear the audio of it on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) No doubt millions have perished from aspartame as it is a trigger of what Dr. Blaylock calls - creeping death, the neurodegenerative diseases. In original studies it caused brain, mammary, uterine, ovarian, testicular, pancreatic and thyroid tumors - for starters. It is a Class A carcinogen and violated the Delaney Amendment as FDA toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told congress in l985. The Delaney Amendment forbid putting anything in food you know will cause cancer. Now the Delaney Amendment has been conveniently repealed. Just who decided it was okay to put components in food that would cause cancer?? Dr. Gross' last words to Congress will always be remembered "And if the FDA violates its own laws who is left to protect the public?" Dr. Gross was the FDA toxicologist who wanted Searle indicted, as did FDA toxicologist Dr. Jacqueline Verrett who told congress all studies were built on a foundation of sand and should be thrown out.


There is no protector for the people, the reason for Mission Possible International, an unpaid global volunteer force alerting the public aspartame is a deadly chemical poison, a neurotoxic drug.


Millions of babies are murdered in their mother's womb by aspartame and the FDA and industry refuse to allow a warning for pregnant women. Dr. James Bowen says in Aspartame Murders Infants, "Aspartame is sold as NutraSweet and Equal and is in thousands of foods and diet drinks. At every point in the fertility process aspartame destroys, beginning with the gleam in Mom and Pop's eyes. It ruins female sexual response and induces male sexual dysfunction. Beyond this, aspartame disrupts fetal development by aborting it or inducing defects. And if a live child is born aspartame may have heinously damaged the DNA of the baby, cursing future generations." And American Water Star would like school children drinking aspartame water. Dr. Roberts says in his text under cognitive problems that the deterioration of intelligence and learning skills in aspartame reactors is evidenced by slippage in school performance. "It may take a generation or longer to ascertain the full extent of this problem."


The symptoms and diseases triggered by aspartame fill a 1038 page medical text. Dr. Roberts talks about the high concentrations of phenylalanine in infancy can interfere with the synthesis of myelin. They inhibit specific ATP-sulfurylase activity within the central nervous system (Hommes l987). He says this issue is relevant to the simulation or aggravation of multiple sclerosis by aspartame. Of course, aspartame destroys the central nervous system and causes methanol toxicity. However, Dr. Roberts says its the whole chemical mess. The FDA actually allows a product to be marketed with free methyl alcohol. It's called insanity.


Cori Brackett is a woman who used lots of aspartame and was diagnosed by the Mayo Clinic as having MS, and with the largest lesion ever diagnosed in an MS patient at the clinic. Cori decided to do her own research and read the reports on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) She got off aspartame and walked out of her wheelchair. The lesion in her brain has now disappeared. She also made an aspartame documentary called Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World. It can be pre-ordered now and those interested can contact me and I'll forward your information.


To tell you how serious these problems with aspartame are, Cori filmed Diane Fleming in a prison in Troy, Virginia. Diane Fleming is a sweet Sunday School teacher who helped the homeless. Her husband Charles was a body builder and played basketball about four times a week. He also was an aspartame addict using at least 10 diet drinks a day along with Metrex with aspartame, Equal and lots of prescription drugs, Gatorade and creatine. She tried to get him to cut down on things she thought dangerous but he told her "more is better". He paid with his life. When he died the police seeing the methanol poisoning on autopsy thought she poisoned him, even though she tried to help the police and she passed her polygraph with flying colors. In talking to one policeman yesterday, however, who was on the case he said: "I know Diane Fleming is an innocent woman. I've put a lot of people in prison and some were executed but I always knew I had gotten a killer off the sheet. I would not have allowed this innocent woman to be indicted but I was promoted and couldn't prevent it. How could I have ever slept if I had caused a guiltless woman to be imprisoned."


Diane is an aspartame victim herself because she was lied to by the FDA and industry and the professional organizations they fund and thought it was safe. She went through depression when she lost her husband and was put on Zoloft. Zoloft interacts with aspartame. So even at her trial she could show no emotion, she was drugged by the very same poison that killed her husband. I hope you are enraged when you read this. Diane thought she was so blessed by having a wonderful husband and happy life that she wanted to give something back. She taught the word of God, and she bought clothes for the homeless and helped them once a week in a hands on matter. Does the FDA know about this? Of course, they do and could care less. This doesn't effect the industry they are so loyal to. To them its just another victim and they have turned their back on the victims of aspartame disease. It was even mentioned in congressional hearings the FDA was getting so many complaints on aspartame they referred them to the AIDS Hotline to get rid of them.


I filed a Citizens Petition to ban aspartame based on the fact the FDA's records show it to be a chemical poison and they lie to the public. The FDA has 180 days by law to answer. It will be two years in June and their last letter said they have competing priorities. Translation: "Since we're guilty and you're right, we just won't answer and continue to serve above the law."


Then we have to deal with front groups who mislead the public which is a crime under Title 18, Section 1001. The Calorie Control Council, as an example is registered to the Aspartame page. Their lies are legend but recently they crossed the line of human dignity by writing the Miami Herald and saying aspartame is safe for pregnant women knowing full well it can kill the baby. They know the Trocho Study shows how much toxicity aspartame causes in the liver, so it can cause advanced liver disease. Yet they also said people with advanced liver disease can use aspartame. Even the FDA has a prohibition against those with phenylketonuria using aspartame because they can't metabolize the phenylalanine in aspartame. It can cause brain damage or even be fatal. Yet, Calorie Control Council also said people with PKU can use this toxin.


The interesting thing about aspartame is its toxicity is a matter of public record. If we don't know what a deadly poison can cause after over 20 years we're in bad shape. The CCC even said aspartame doesn't get in the blood stream when an aspartame manufacturer has shown that it can in their own study. As an example, in Aspartame, Physiology and Biochemistry, Marcel Dekker, Inc., New York, L.D. Stegink and L. J. Filer, Jr., l984 (Pro-industry, Significantly corporate Sponsored), on page 161 it shows this study by Ajinomoto, an aspartame manufacturer:


TISSUE DISTRIBUTION OF ORALLY ADMINISTERED ISOTOPICALLY LABELED ASPARTAME IN THE RAT Yoshimasa Matsuzawa and Yuichi O'Hara, Life Science Laboratory, Central Research Laboratories, Ajinomoto Company, Inc. Yokohama, Japan.


Page 162: RESULTS: Phenylalanine Moiety: "The pattern of distribution of (U-14CPhe) aspartame following its oral administration was very similar to that of (U-14C) phenylalanine after 0.5, 2.6 and 24 hr and 7 days. Thirty minutes after administration of these compounds, very high levels of radioactivity were observed in the lumen of the stomach and upper small bowel. Significant uptake of radioactivity was observed in the pancreas, gastrointestinal mucosa, hair follicles, salivary gland and liver. Radioactivity was observed in the kidney, adrenal gland, bone marrow, spleen and eye. Some radiolabel was observed in the pancreas, gastrointestinal mucosa, hair follicles, salivary gland and liver. Radioactivity was observed in the kidney, adrenal gland, bone marrow, spleen and eye. Some radiolabel was localized to the brain, spinal cord, heart, thymus, lung and testes."


In one of the original manufacturer's pivotal studies, a 52 Week Oral toxicity Infant Monkey Study (SC-18862) where 7 infant monkeys were fed aspartame, 5 had grand mal seizures and 1 died. The data revealed by this pivotal study submitted to FDA renders false the CC's assertion that aspartame does not enter the blood stream. Elevated levels of phenylalanine in the blood of monkeys fed medium and high levels of aspartame prove that the compound is absorbed in the blood stream. The brain seizures followed.


We must stop the disability and death to our children by this deadly poison. It's all a matter of public record and ANYONE who wants to see these records a lot of them are available on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) and www.wnho.net (http://www.wnho.net) and www.holisticmed.com/aspartame (http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame) as well as other links. You can go to www.greatfallspro.com (http://www.greatfallspro.com) and get a CD of the ENTIRE Board of Inquiry saying aspartame is not safe and the petition for approval is revoked. It also contains Dr. John Olney's testimony to the Board of Inquiry telling them what would happen to the brains of our children if aspartame is approved. Unfortunately, that prophecy has been fulfilled. Also on the CD is the entire l985 congressional record with scientists and victims testifying on how deadly it is. If you read someone trying to get away with saying its safe it will be like a professional organization, like the ADA's who are funded by the manufacturer. Monsanto's media flacks are the dietitians. So many times when the news get out the dietitians will come to the defense of the manufacturer. Monsanto has sold NutraSweet but as Mohammed Ali once said "They can run but they can't hide".


On www.aspartame.ca (http://www.aspartame.ca) which is Mission Possible Canada you can read a new report on why these isolated amino acids in aspartame are so deadly. It has been written by Dr. James Bowen and Arthur Evangelista, a former FDA Investigator who acknowledges that aspartame is a deadly chemical poison.


Dr. Ralph Walton has written a report that is on www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) on scientific peer reviewed research and funding showing that 92% of all independent studies not controlled or funded by the manufacturers of aspartame show the problems it causes. And he says if you eliminate 6 studies by the FDA because of the controversy (linked to industry) and one pro-aspartame summary, 100% of independent scientific peer reviewed studies show the problems aspartame causes. What more is necessary to prove how deadly this toxin is as the epidemics it causes skyrocket. And there is information on the flawed studies of industry and how they get away with it.


Our kids are getting a high on Listerine strips and having seizures. Pfizer doesn't care and no longer answers my mail. I guess they are making too much money. Walmart as well sells aspartame water as we continually get the complaints from the victims. They simply send back the propaganda even though they are told and told and told it is not valid and given references and medical texts, etc. that reveal the truth. Wrigley who we have written for years about the danger of aspartame in gum instead of removing it has put it in almost all their gums. When aspartame is buccal, and being a neurotoxic drug, works like nitroglycerin under the tongue, goes through saliva straight to the brain. And it causes so many seizures. Obviously Wrigley doesn't care.


Our kids are being medicated in school instead of educated, and if you read Dr. Olney's report to the Board of Inquiry of the FDA you will see what he said would happen to the brains of our kids has happened.


The Idaho Observer wrote the Diane Fleming story and you will also see it on www.wnho.net, (http://www.wnho.net,) click on aspartame. They have also published the Artificially Sweetened Times which contains the story of Diane Fleming and more in order to help the effort. When 192 people dropped dead for no apparent reason the Idaho Observer wrote the Center for Disease Control a certified letter to investigate. They didn't even care enough to answer. Stay tuned for the new Artificially Sweetened Times which is continually being published to alert the public and get this poison off the market. www.Idaho-Observer.com (http://www.Idaho-Observer.com)


We ask that you pass this article on to the ends of the earth to help alert the public and stop this genocide. Help save the children! There are four aspartame support groups on line to help the victims.


Remember the words of Senator Abraham S. Ribicoff in l971: "The chemicals we ingest may affect more than our own health. They affect the health and vitality of future generations. The danger is that many of these chemicals may not harm us, but will later do silent violence to our children." In the case of aspartame it can affect anyone who consumes it because its poison.


Dr. Betty Martini, Founder, Mission Possible International, 9270 River Club Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097 770 242-2599 www.dorway.com (http://www.dorway.com) and www.wnho.net (http://www.wnho.net)

p.s. there are less studies done on sucralose (splenda) then aspartame, because it is a newer product, but the early tests have shown it causes similar side effects to aspartame - cancer, blindness, depression, nerve damage, headaches, etc.

Happy Bunny
08-13-2004, 08:08 PM
I see lots specific information about Aspartame, but I don't actually see any evidence to back up your claims about Sucralose. You have the right to voice your opinion, and I am interested in credible research. I object to your post script with no evidence (credible or otherwise) presented. Your first paragraph claims that sucralose is in the top two as far as testing goes, but then later on it is much less tested than aspartame - yet it is proven to be 'horrendous'? Which is it? Most tested and 'horrendous'? Or too new to have many tests done at all?

"every artificial sweetener have dangers, with aspartame and sucralose having the most tests done to the point, and therefore the most horrendous side effects shown by scientists."

"there are less studies done on sucralose (splenda) then aspartame, because it is a newer product, but the early tests have shown it causes similar side effects to aspartame"

zipper
08-26-2004, 12:31 PM
All products that are taken into the body have side effects.

Consumption of unprocessed sugar can lead to obesity and reduced insulin making abilities (Type 2 diabetes).

Just because a product is 'natural' does not mean it is not harmful.

Everyone has choices.
Sucralose finally managed to pass FDA inspection after 25 years
Saccarin has been available for years
Aspartame is the most common artificial sweetner but is being overtaken by a new branded product (expect to start paying a premium for this)
Stevia is somewhat bitter and has not yet weathered the _decades_ it takes to get through FDA approval process so you'll have to hunt for it
Maltitol also is available but its side effects tend not to be worth it for a beverage
And sugar, raw, processed, granulated, cane, beet, corn, or other is cheap but can cause metabolic disfunction and an unpleasant body image.

I have to agree with the original post. If a beverage is going to come out with a diet version, I just want it to taste as much like the original as possible (DP got it perfect!), not another drink entirely.

zipper
08-26-2004, 12:34 PM
Except RB. RB is nasty. They can't reformulate it now that some people have adjusted to the taste and expect and love it, but the least they could have done was make the diet drinkable. tongue.gif