View Full Version : When is the industry going to do something?
09-15-2004, 12:11 AM
I find myself reading story after story about the fact Americans are becoming fatter and fatter each year. Our children and diabetes in young children is growing at an alarming rate.
The thing that cannot be argued is that as the use of HFCS has grown over the last 20 years so has the weight of America. Is it the sole contributor... no but it adds fuel to the fire for sure.
When will the beverage industry step up and say enough is enough. This garbage is polluting our children and something needs to be done. HFCS is nutritional garbage and it is still being passed off to millions. I simply don't understand it.
09-15-2004, 10:34 AM
You must be kidding E-Dude.
Don't you know that all we have to do is blindly follow the lead of the DNC and the ACL? They will protect us from HFCS, smoke, fat burgers, hot coffee, christian symbols, guns, Fox News and right-wing radio. And if they can't they will represent us while we sue for damages!
Cradle to grave baby, cradle to grave!
09-21-2004, 12:46 AM
What a shame.... everyone just ducks and hides!
Meanwhile, people are consuming this garbage and know one steps up and says " Enough " ! Everyone knows HFCS is nutritional garbage and a leading contributor to weight gain in America.
People wonder why they are fat.... have a cola and some wonder bread!
09-21-2004, 09:06 AM
HFCS may or may not be to blame, but your first point and the subject of this thread are definitely true....The industry is basically taking a bath while the media takes its shots at the industry. Right or wrong, Coke, Pepsi, Dr Pepper, and perhaps even Red Bull should be doing something to protect their business. Maybe this will pass, but the numbers right now are not good...
09-21-2004, 08:40 PM
Red Bull does not use HFCS, they use simple sugars.
Saying when is the industry going to do something is the same as the fat people sueing McD's for getting them fat, or the ciggarete smoker sueing Philip Morris for giving them cancer. What do you think is going to happen when you abuse things. People are aware of the sugar they ingest in their sodas. Do they think they will get healthier if they drink it every day of their lives, 4 servings a day? Gee, you got fat and have very high colesteral. I would have thought that grabbing a big mac and super-sizing everyday at lunch would have been healthy for you. Would it be nicer if every company used great, healthy alternatives. Yes, but you would not get the same drinks or foods. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. If people need their Cane Sugar, go drink Boylans, or SP, or any of the highend drinks you would find at Whole Foods or stores like that. If thats to complicated, just drink water, its better for you.
09-21-2004, 11:41 PM
Ron you made my point! The cigarette companies have been sued and have lost and are paying billions of dollars for what they have done. What many beverage companies have done is very simular to what the cigarette companies have done.
In fact more people suffer from obesity and its effects than suffer from smoking related diseases.
We are fat and over weight and adding nutritional garbage is appalling and wrong.
As an industry it is time to step up and do something we all know is right. For mere pennies we can make products better and healthier.
It is time for the industry to step up and do the right thing.
Quit using crap in our favorite products.
09-22-2004, 12:47 AM
""Quit using crap in our favorite products.""
How about abstainence?
Quit drinking your favorite products with crap in it!
Does the gov wipe your butt for you eDUD?
Make your own choices and decisions, and let companys make what they want. and you drink what you want and let others drink what they want...its called freedom!
We DO live in the good ole US of A! and not the old USSR where they were told what to eat and drink!
This subject is old and has been addressed many times over....hence its dead.
09-22-2004, 08:12 AM
I have to agree with edude on this one. I've talked with several Doctors over the years that have said since HFCS has been the staple that Diabetes has skyrocketed in numbers. HFCS is hard for your body to break down, unlike pure cane sugar or simple sugars that Ron mentioned.
You guy's are right too when you say just drink something else but the problem there is there's just not many alternatives available everywhere and I don't think your average Joe knows the dangers of HFCS.
One other point I wish the bev. companys would look at is shelf life. If companys switched back to sugar the shelf life would increase because pure cane sugar stays stable longer than HFCS which would in the long run save the companys money not having to pick up their out-of-dates as often.
10-05-2004, 11:09 AM
The use of HFCS in most of the Soda's sold in the USA is a sad state of affairs and a black eye on our business as a whole. The sad part is it cannot even be defended. Still, the big beverage companies continue to feed the public this garbage and are going to continue to do it until someone puts a stop to it.
I think it is time for 60 minutes to get involved.
10-15-2004, 04:16 AM
Well, then it behooves us to share the word about Premium Sodas. I've given my boss (Cola addict) a bottle of Boylan's Cane Cola, & he said it was good. When Coca Cola used to make Fanta Red Cream Soda (with REAL sugar!), I'd bring back cases of it & share it from time to time in Southern California, where they didn't have it.
Now, as far as "60 Minutes", there is the problem of sponsor pressure. The Corn products lobby is powerful, to say nothing of the soda giants. PBS tends to have less of a problem of this.
10-15-2004, 10:20 AM
Dudes, the reason Obesity is an epidemic is lifestyle related. We chose not to exercise. We chose to sit and watch TV for endless hours. We chose to pig out on junk food while watching TV. Notice the keyword here is CHOICE. Get real.
10-17-2004, 11:45 AM
Choice ??? Can't you choose between smoking and not smoking???
Food is showing to be just as addictive if not more than nicotine.
Junk Food is a major contributor to the problem and the HFCS found in Coke and Pepsi and numerous other products is killing us!
Since the introduction of HFCS in many of the products we consume weight problems have skyrocketed. HFCS is nutritional garbage and a leading factor in the weight gain in children today.
Junk in junk out!!!
We should do better for ourselves and our children. Make a better product get rid of HFCS.
10-17-2004, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Energydude:
Food is showing to be just as addictive if not more than nicotine.Well I have to agree somewhat with edude on that. I can buy a box of cereal and it will be gone in less than two days. I keep getting up off the couch to grab a handfull and before I know it its gone.
10-22-2004, 12:01 AM
You know what? I'm addicted to food also. I really feel the urge to eat every day :D
10-22-2004, 04:31 PM
Now Coke comes out with an energy drink with over 50 grams of HFCS..... are they insane???
Please quit feeding people HFCS. It is killing people!
10-25-2004, 02:24 AM
Government, please stop hostess from making ding-dongs. I am addicted . I eat 11 a day. Also i eat a half-gallon of ice cream every morning. Please ask that grocery stores put a padlock on the ice cream section and limit me to only 3 half gallons a week. You see i know eating 8,000 calories a day is not good but dang, exercise is hard work and springer is good tv. I just wish government would limit my choices in what i eat, cause im helpless...good grief energydork, you really are a nut...ichy :eek:
10-25-2004, 11:42 AM
Have you heard about something called tobacco and the fact that the addictive drug nicotine and everything that goes along with it kills 100's of thousands of people each year.
In 2004 we have Coke and Pepsi pushing HFCS is mass amounts to the public and we sit by and let it happen??? These product are loaded with sugar and adding thousands of calories to peoples diets and all you can say is .... free will???
How about corporate responsibility???
Wearing a seat belt is the law!!! Where is you free will ???
Kids and children don't know any better and are being bombarded with ads from Coke and Pepsi.
30 years ago you used to have one fat kid in class... In 2004 about half the class is fat.
Oh well that's how it goes in your world.
We all know using real sugar would be better for the body and better tasting yet nothing is done.
It just makes me sick!
10-25-2004, 06:23 PM
thirty yrs ago, you had responsible adults, not a bunch of jerry springer crackpots. Put the blame on parents if anyone. Geez your sounding like Hillary it takes a village to raise my child. What a bunch of crapola. I guess we should just ration how much sugar each person is allowed.How much protein,etc. Gee did you know,you can die from drinking too much water?..also crossing the street without looking each way can cause you poor health....like someone mentioned earlier...cradle to grave...save me government cause im too inept to save myself...energydude, for the good of mankind,please don't have children...
10-25-2004, 09:28 PM
I agree with Ichi...its about 95% on the parents. Todays parents dont want to discourage their children in anyway and they dont want to tell them no. My 6 year old daughter knows what soda is, but she also considers it a treat. She also knows that she only gets it maybe once every 6 weeks. We give her lots of water, juice, and milk. Now I am not telling people how to raise their kids, but we all know why the fat kids are fat. Its not because Coke has so many calories, or because foods have so many calories, its because kids dont know how to limit themselves and parents dont controll their habits. My advice Edude, either shop at Whole Foods from now on, start rallies to get parents to do their jobs, or just accept that most beverages have calories and sugar, and just learn to limit themselves.
10-26-2004, 01:01 AM
Yeah your right.... God forbid should we ask companies to provide healthier products.
It must be really asking alot to get rid of HFCS.
10-26-2004, 03:00 AM
Yes it is, and i got to get back to my bag of cheetos and 12 pack of soda.
10-27-2004, 03:41 PM
I am glad that you think it is a joke but it tells me volumes about our industry. It shows a total lack of concern for the customer. It is hard to be proud about an industry that peddles garbage to young and old alike and could be fixed for mere pennies!!!
HFCS is garbage and we all know it... we also know that natural sugar would even make it taste better.
Sooner or later people are going to find out just how harmful this stuff is. It's a shame that everyone has to wait until it blows up all over us.
10-27-2004, 06:01 PM
yes, energy, there are lots of terrible things in life...porn,crack cocaine, drunk drivers, pbs, jesse jackson and michael moore. I could go on and on. The point of it all is take responsibility for what you can control. You certainly can control what you put in your body,and if you have children,you certainly have control over that(if you actually behave like a parent).Hey, i'll give you some advice, don't supersize your meals at mcdonalds...lots of extra calories and fat grams...gotta go..gotta get to my pork rinds and 2-liter of soda.
10-28-2004, 08:05 PM
We dont need to hold Coke or Pepsi responsible for using HFCS...just dont drink it. They are producing their beverage the way they see best fit for profits and taste and sales...if you dont like it, dont drink it, pure and simple. If they used cane sugar, you can't say it would taste better, but different. I have had some sodas with Cane Sugar and even Dr. Pepper from the Dublin, TX plant that uses cane sugar still. It tastes different because I am used to my HFCS. Just dont drink it, boycot it if you want. But how upset would you be if M.others A.gainst P.ornographic S.oda I.mages got all up in a fit over the fact that you sell a soda with pictures of girls on it. They are all mad and say "I dont want my child comming home with garbage like that, how dare you sell it." Your responce would probably be, "Well, tell your children dont buy, you dont buy it either, and it wont just show up in your house. But there are many others who do enjoy it so I will contiune to sell it to them."
10-29-2004, 08:53 AM
Three cheers for Ron!
10-29-2004, 05:05 PM
How sad..... I guess that is what we should about the tobacco companies too.... They are producing the product the way they see fit for profit.
NEVER mind the fact that the product they are making is killing people!!!
WAKE THE HELL UP !!!! The product Coke and Pepsi are making and the way they are making it is killing people!!!
They are selling and promoting this dangerous stuff to children....!!!! What is wrong with you people.
10-29-2004, 05:43 PM
yeah energy, and if you eat enough hamburgers, or mcsausages,your arteries plug up too. So, i guess you need to police all the restaurants to make sure they are selling energydudes safe food for the masses. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO WAKE THE HELL UP!..YOU OF ALL PEOPLE WITH THE PRODUCT YOU HAVE BEEN PROMOTING.Talk about a hypocrite! You are hilarious...enough said....geez you sure are a pepsi and coke basher...
10-30-2004, 12:20 AM
Please tell me you are joking.......
WHAT IS IT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND !!!
HFCS is highly dangerous to the health of adults and poses an even greater risk to children.
With so many people young and old alike overweight why is Coke and Pepsi and other companies making a bad situation even worse?
THAT IS THE POINT !!!
Why are we still pushing products with HFCS on consumers that are not fully aware of its dangers.
These companies could be using a wonderful natural ingredient called PURE CANE SUGAR!
They are not and do you know the reason why??????
because it cost a few pennies less!!!!!!
Please explain to me why these companies would use such an inferior product that causes so much harm!
10-30-2004, 12:49 AM
take it to dan rather..im sure he'd like to hear from you. And you need to call your doctor and schedule a physical. Maybe mention this concern of yours and see what he says. Also let him know,what its like to have your head ** **** **** so he can put it in his medical journals...
10-30-2004, 11:23 AM
How sad is this .... many of you just turn away at the site of such ugliness. The facts are many companies are using HFCS and they KNOW the adverse effects they have on adults and children yet choose to do nothing.
The war on HFCS has not yet begun but it will soon and then where will you hide????
I would be ashamed to make my product with garbage.
10-30-2004, 02:18 PM
hmmm..where will i hide?...thats a good question!...maybe under the old jalopy next to the creepy old man's house...is this a game of hide and seek?...kewl dude...hey ronnie, where you gonna hide?....edude you are a funny one!...ichiro
10-30-2004, 09:03 PM
What other items do you sell edude? Dont you sell vitamins and crap like that. You know you can overdose on Vitamin A. That can be toxic, how dare you sell anything that can kill someone if abused. The tabacco companies dont bother me because I dont smoke, and it makes stores a lot of money so they can buy overpriced items like yours. Coke and Pepsi have HFCS, so what, dont drink it if you dont like it. Doesnt peaches have HFCS...lets outlaw fruits now too.
10-31-2004, 01:22 AM
Ron .... anyone..... please tell me of another industry that chooses for a few pennies to build, construct, or make a product inferior and harmful to the consumer!
What is wrong with you people? We all know Pure Cane Sugar would taste better and we all know it would be healthier than HFCS. We all know that since companies have been using this cheap sugar substitute 25 years ago that diabetes has grown more than 2400% in America.
Should a warning label be placed on all products that contain HFCS.
Yes, people have a choice but most people are not aware of the deadly risks associated with HFCS.
As an industry why have we not stepped up to the plate and told the consumer just how dangerous and how unhealthy HFCS is to those who consume it.
10-31-2004, 12:26 PM
Alcohal. Generic Drugs. Cars. Energy Drinks.
Start writing the FDA or your state gov. about the problem you see. If they put a warning label on the cans or bottles, fine. But the FDA would have to find something harmful with that first. You can say everything is related to the HFCS. But people are also eating way more quantities of food, more unhealthy foods, and have more access to sugar than 25 years ago. Could HFCS play a role, sure. Is it the reason...no...bottom line, be a better parent and you shouldnt have to worry about it.
10-31-2004, 12:41 PM
Be a better parent??? Wow thanks Ron you just solved all the worlds problems.
HFCS replaced Pure Cane Sugar in many of our products over the last 25 years. Take a look at the facts !!!! Over the last 25 years obesity and diabetes has skyrockted along with the use of HFCS.
The problem is we as an industry know how harmful it is yet we continue to feed it to unknowing consumers. Do you really think most people realize the jelly they are putting on their childs sandwich or the ketchup or even the salad dressing they are putting on their childs salad is loaded with HFCS.
Soft Drinks are the worst but our children are getting bombarded from HFCS at every turn and it is too much to ask our industry to stop the madness and go back to using pure ingredients for the health of our children.
Don't forget the other fact and that is the product whatever it is would taste better with Real Sugar.
Why not stop using a product that is hurting everyone??????? Why ???
11-01-2004, 08:55 AM
Do I see a new career on your horizon? The people's advocate...E-Dude...down with all those nasty products containing HFCS! Move over Nader and make way for E-Dude!
11-03-2004, 12:59 AM
People know, thats why Whole Foods and places like that are so popular...its the people that dont care that create the huge void.
11-06-2004, 10:53 AM
MSNBC just did a story on how dangerous and how bad soda is for children.
Parents were shocked when shown how much sugar is in a 16oz. Soda.
That is the problem... if parents were aware of just how dangerous soda is parents would be more careful. Warning labels should be placed on these products letting parents know that this product contains a large amount of sugar and caffeine and should never be given to children.
The industry needs to do something about a product that is so harmful to so many.
11-06-2004, 01:23 PM
Parents should also be shown how much meat is in meat,and that if you eat too much meat and sausage it will plug your arteries. Candy also has tons of sugar in it and can cause cavities if teeth are not brushed. These people who are so stunned by your earth quaking news must be the same people who followed bruce springsteen 's advice on the recent election. Any parent who doesnt realize there is lots of sugar in regular soda definitely has had their head up their colon too long. unreal...hows your flu shots in florida edude???
11-07-2004, 05:04 AM
Your simply ignoring the problem... Coke and Pepsi are crap products that have not nutritional value at all and the product is harmful.
Even after they were thrown out of a few schools, they continue to market to children and parents can do little to prevent their children from drinking the garbage.
The thing that is most upsetting is that the products they push on us could be made better but they choose not to and products like Coke and Pepsi are killing us.
You think all parents know that these products are harmful to children and they give it to them anyway???? Get real!
11-07-2004, 01:57 PM
Well thank god we have SP to save the day. Lets say Coke and Pepsi switched back to using Cane Sugar...the kids are still going to be drinking a lot of this "usless" beverage. They will still be getting a lot of empty calories. If your argument is Coke and Pepsi are not a healthy drink, well I think you won because no one would suggest that they are. You partialy hit the nail on the head when you said the parents should not allow their kids to drink as much or any. It is up to the parents. But in the same, they also give their kids a bunch of Kool Aid that asks for 2 cups of sugar per 2 qts. Everything has sugar, even fruits have sugar in them. Watch what you eat, and how much of it, and stay active, youll be ok. Are you a parent Edude? What do you allow your kid(s) to have?
11-08-2004, 03:31 PM
I am a father and a grandfather and none of my kids were raised on soda. We drank water or juice and it is not natural sugar that is the problem it is HFCS.
First of all everything does not have sugar but I have no problem with natural pure cane sugar. I have a problem with HFCS which we all know is garbage yet many corporations market this stuff to children and it is simply not right.
My argument is simple quit selling HFCS to children. Even more important a product with HFCS and Caffeine. STOP SELLING TO CHILDREN and yes yes please change back to making all drinks with real sugar and stop using garbage!!!
11-08-2004, 10:16 PM
doest fruit have HFCS? So you want them to stop marketing to kids or to put an age restriction on the products like ciggarets and beer and lotto? What does the FDA think about HFCS? Just curious. I dont think you are without a point, I just dont see how 90% of our beverages are just going to change.
11-09-2004, 02:15 AM
The point is why not change when it makes the product better and healthier?????
Your talking pennies !!!! To make the product healthier and taste better!!!
What does the FDA think???? Are you kidding me what the hell does the FDA know about anything.
Phen Phen, Vioxx... please do not get me started on the FDA.
Fruit has sugar not HFCS !!!
The whole point is to change because it is the right thing to do .... why wait to be forced to change???
Make the damn products better... is that so hard?
11-09-2004, 01:13 PM
yes,it is so hard. get off your soapbox. you sound like a little bitch.jmho.
11-09-2004, 04:26 PM
No it is not hard just stop using HFCS which we all know is garbage.... and use sugar like we did back in the day.
I simply do not understand and either will the federal government soon!!!
11-09-2004, 09:31 PM
But you are talking about supliments. The FDA is powerless to regulate supliments like phen phen and ephedira and items like that untill they are proven harmful. Untill then, the products can be used anyway they want without FDA testing or approval. Sugar and HFCS are not supliments and must be regulated by the FDA.
Also, if you are producing a product, and you sell as many cases as Coke does, and you have stock holders to answer to, dont you think a few pennies per bottle might save them a few million $$?
11-10-2004, 11:31 AM
Again Ron........ I have no idea what you are talking about. Phen Phen is a drug which has been found to effect heart valves and was pulled off the market by the FDA.
I have no idea why you are bringing in the FDA at this point when as an agency over the last few years their record has been abysmal.
Lastly, there is not a person on earth that would not pay a few cents more for Coke or Pepsi made with real sugar in fact many would seek it out and drive long distances to purchase said product.
The fact is our industry just doesn't care about the health and welfare of the people that buy it's products. They are not willing YET to simply make the product better.
What is the FDA going to do ... nothing right now they have their hands full with Vioxx and Bextra.
11-12-2004, 08:40 PM
Just go to HFCSFACTS.COM There is a lot of information there for you.
Edude, what is going to be next for you. First it was the sodium, now its the HFCS...do you just compare labels from your SP to other drinks to find your topics?
And yes, some people will pay more for the beverage with cane sugar, but the majority would not like the rate increase. Coke and Pepsi and the others do not want to have to pay more to make the drink. Why isnt Dr. Pepper from the Dublin, TX plant more popular than regualr Dr. Pepper? The one from Dublin has Cane Sugar. But in stores were I find it, it sells a lot slower because people perfer the cheaper version.
Why are Micro Brews so harder to get started and sell as much as the big boys? Its hard to get people to switch from their $7.99 12 pack of Bud to try a 22 oz. bottle that costs $4.29.
Just the way we are.
11-14-2004, 02:17 PM
There is no HFCS in SumPoosie Energy Drink its made with REAL SUGAR.
Secondly I am talking a few pennies here Ron, 3 to 5% pennies Ron pennies.
Ask any Doctor about HFCS Ron....... my brother is a cardiologist and he thinks HFCS should contain a warning label on it!!!!
11-15-2004, 09:28 PM
For the 10 doctors that say one thing, there are 10 that say another.
Your point is pennies. Then why dont the companies want to spend thoes pennies? Cause it adds up over billions of bottles, plain and simple.
11-16-2004, 08:38 AM
To quote Willie Nelson.."there are more old drunks than there are old doctors, so I guess we better have another round".
11-17-2004, 01:15 AM
Okay, after reading the posts I can agree that, yes, it's unfortunate that such big companies and popular products do not contribute to a healthy diet. But it is not their responsibiltiy to do so.
Business defies ethics. Business is governed by the bottom line. If the majority of people demand products that are unhealthy, then Co's will supply for them. If the masses demanded healthier alternatives, and for the most part, they are, albeit slowly, then I am certain big business will follow suit.
This thread has been amptly fueled by conservative and leftist rhetoric. Fair enough. I believe that BOTH sides are very well represented with a profound degree of validity. So what's the middle ground? Education. Here's a good example: I'm in this industry..AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HFCS ARE? Apparently they are not good for our system. But how would I know that?
There is a certain degree of trust that the people have in what they purchase. It is hard for some to conceive that a large, reputable and popular company, especially one that persistently runs ads that depict wholesome, patriotic, and family scenarios, would engage in any product that could possibly do them any harm in the long run. Perhaps trusting ANY organization that dabbles in the rewards of "profit" is their deadliest sin. (Hah, does politics come to mind here???).
We need to understand rule #1: If it's a business, chances are that the main goal is to get money out of your pocket and into theirs. Once you can accept that, then you need to make personal choices to investigate what you ingest and continue to think critically when it comes to marketing.
Many would argue that, yes, we are just too lazy and dumb; it's in our nature and we need to have measures against organizations exploiting that unfortunate feature of our humanity. Some feel this would be a finacial draw on valuable resources and foster irresponsibilty. Why can't we agree? Well, welcome to another fine example of our infallible nature.
I'm sober...I SWEAR!
11-17-2004, 09:35 AM
HFCS = High Fructose Corn Syrup
11-17-2004, 10:34 AM
HFCS = Obesity
11-17-2004, 10:36 AM
Need I say more?
11-17-2004, 01:13 PM
government should step in and stop energydude from selling his sp drink. Sexism is not a good thing. Call your local legislature now and lets get this product banned.
11-17-2004, 03:19 PM
11-17-2004, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the lesson, guys. Pretty funny follow up as well. I feel like I am at the family table at Thanksgiving.
Edude: it doesn't look as though RB has HFCS. Are you claiming it does (in this or in past threads)?
11-17-2004, 08:22 PM
www.HFCSFacts.com (http://www.HFCSFacts.com) need I say more?
Edude, I had a Boylans Black Cherry today, Pure Cane Sugar, no HFCS....I am joining the fight to fight obecity.
11-17-2004, 09:19 PM
Hey i saw a newsclip of a soldier over in iraq, he had a can of coke next to him. Doesnt he know that the hfcs in it could kill him and his comrades. Maybe we could get the insurgents to slam down some cases of coke or pepsi. just an idea. maybe fill some of our missiles with hfcs?
11-17-2004, 10:16 PM
Okay, now I'm confused. Do HFCS explode? Why are we putting high explosives in our drinks?
11-18-2004, 11:23 AM
Good idea Ron! Drink products with real sugar!
By the way www.hfcsfacts.com (http://www.hfcsfacts.com) is owned and operated by the CORN Association!!!!
The FACTS speak for themselves.... since the early 80's when the use of this junk began diabetes and obesity are up over 300%.
11-18-2004, 12:41 PM
the fact is the xbox and sony playstation were not around and kids actually use to go outside and play. exercise believe it or not does cut down on obseity, edude. Are you really a moron or do you just type like one?
11-18-2004, 04:31 PM
Ich... you don't have to turn this personal. Video games are not to blame, it is what a child puts in his or her mouth that counts the most.
Kids still walk to school, still play outside, and still have gym at school. The problem is ingesting HFCS which we all know is NUTRITIONAL GARBAGE.
Say what you want but the HFCS in Cola's, Ketchup, and Salad Dressing etc....
Is simply too much!
11-18-2004, 10:06 PM
Edude, I am just 7 years removed from High School. Kids dont walk all that much, and a lot of the kids dont take PE since it is not required all 4 years. Video Games and things like that are definatly to blame in the argument. We are all lazier, eat more crap food (including your HFCS) and just dont exercise. A big fad is the no carb. diet. that is the same sort of thing. If you are active, you can eat a lot more foods, including carbs. If you sit on calories, they will turn to fat, HFCS or Cane Sugar.
11-19-2004, 08:11 AM
Why stop at HFCS? Why not rant against artificial flavoring, artificial coloring and artificial preservatives? Are these healthy...I think not. What impact can all of these substances be having on the general population? Are these in your drink?
11-19-2004, 11:33 AM
First... I don't have a drink and Second...artificial flavoring and color is not pouring hundreds and thousands of calories into our bodies and driving insulin levels off the charts!
It is HFCS that is doing all that damage.
We all know pure cane sugar is better for you and we all know it is much better tasting.... What is the big f*&%ing deal with simply asking companies to quit feeding us this garbage to save a few pennies.
The FDA said this was a safe additive back in the early 80's. This is the same agency that claimed Vioxx and Phen Phen were safe!
Need I say more?
11-19-2004, 11:55 AM
Look ED, I'm sorry if it sounds like I give you sh*t once in a while. Truth be told, I think you bring a lot of (dare I say) ENERGY to the forum.
In regards to your last post, you haven't yet responded to the notion I proposed about the nature of big business. I admit, it was a bait to see how someone like you would approach that theory. I have to say, I truly am a bit surprised that someone with as much time in business in general has not accepted this truism.
11-19-2004, 11:59 PM
Edude, the FDA did not say that Phen Phen was safe. Once it was found harmful it was pulled. The FDA does not have a say if a suplement comes to market or not unless it is found to be unsafe. Untill that is proven, the companies can sell what ever they want, so please dont use the Phen Phen argument thing.
One thing I would like to know, and you have not answered, is what is the proven difference between HFCS and Cane Sugar? If 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with FHCS, and 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with Cane sugar. What is the health difference, what is the difference in lbs. gained/loss. You say it is better, I just want some facts.
11-21-2004, 08:07 AM
Phen Phen ..... is a drug that WAS approved by the FDA and later pulled by the FDA after it was found to eat away heart valves. So again Ron.... I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Vioxx was also approved by the FDA and has killed more than 50,000 people.
Ron go to the store and buy some HFCS. Stick that in your coffee or on your cereal.
Need I say more?
11-21-2004, 01:02 PM
Fen-phen refers to the use in combination of fenfluramine and phentermine. Phentermine has also been used in combination with dexfenfluramine ("dexfen-phen"). Fenfluramine ("fen") and phentermine ("phen") are prescription medications that have been approved by the FDA for many years as appetite suppressants for the short-term (a few weeks) management of obesity. Phentermine was approved in 1959 and fenfluramine in 1973. Dexfenfluramine (Redux) was approved in 1996 for use as an appetite suppressant in the management of obesity. Recently, some physicians have prescribed fenfluramine or dexfenfluramine in combination with phentermine, often for extended periods of time, for use in weight loss programs. Use of drugs in ways other than described in the FDA-approved label is called "off-label use." In the case of fen-phen and dexfen-phen, no studies were presented to the FDA to demonstrate either the effectiveness or safety of the drugs taken in combination.
So it was used in ways the FDA did not intend it to, then it took if off the shelf because of that.
Back to my question...AGAIN...I would like to know, and you have not answered, is what is the proven difference between HFCS and Cane Sugar? If 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with FHCS, and 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with Cane sugar. What is the health difference, what is the difference in lbs. gained/loss. You say it is better, I just want some facts.
11-21-2004, 07:27 PM
Need I say more?
By the way.... do you have an excuse for the FDA when it comes to VIOXX??? It caused the death of thousands of people that count on the FDA to protect us and tell us what is safe!
11-21-2004, 08:09 PM
I thought I would add this if you want to read more horrors of HFCS. Frankly, there are thousands of pages of text regarding the dangers of HFCS.
11-21-2004, 09:16 PM
Umm...pretty much it is saying is HFCS may not be the healthiest thing in the world for you, and people are ingesting more of it since the 1970's. Uhh...arn't we eating more than we did in the 80's and probably 90's. Yes HFCS is in more foods than in the 70's, and portion sizes have gone up. Wasnt it just in the late 60's that a 24 oz. soda was considered a "family size portion"? Now, we buy that for singe person consumption, and more times than not, just cause its convinente and we are a little thirsty.
So you still have not answered my question. Please answer it or say you don't know.
I would like to know, and you have not answered, is what is the proven difference between HFCS and Cane Sugar? If 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with FHCS, and 10 people drank 100 cal. bev. everyday for 1 year with Cane sugar. What is the health difference, what is the difference in lbs. gained/loss. You say it is better, I just want some facts.
11-22-2004, 08:51 AM
I did answer!!! Ron read the damn articles!!!
Pure Cane Sugar and HFCS are not the same and the body does not treat them the same..... READ!
If still think they are the same try some HFCS on your mourning cereal!
11-22-2004, 08:04 PM
I dont put extra sugar on my cereal, but thanks for asking. Maybe I looked over it, but I did not see it in the article. I know they are not the same for the body, but what is the actual difference a person would see. If that was in the article, I missed it, please point it out. If its not in there, please answer it for me.
11-23-2004, 08:16 AM
High fructose corn syrup contains what are called free or unbound fructose molecules. These molecules have been found to interfere with normal heart functioning, among other things. A recent study performed by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) showed that high fructose diets shortened the life span of laboratory mice from the normal two years to an astounding five weeks. One study performed with human subjects was inadvertently stopped short of completion as some of the subjects developed abnormal heart conditions
I hope that is enough for you Ron .... if it is not simply go to Google and type in "HFCS Dangers"
and read some of the thousands of pages.
11-23-2004, 08:19 AM
The cup is half full baby! Our life expectancy keeps on increasing along with our junk food intake! Coincident...I think not.
11-23-2004, 11:21 AM
Yeah... isn't it great that medical science keeps providing better health care for fat people...
It is just so sad that the industry continues to feed the public this garbage. HFCS will be a larger issue in the years ahead.
11-23-2004, 08:28 PM
Edude, that still does not answer my question. What would happen if they put someone on a high cane sugar diet? I want to know what is the health difference between someone taking in the same amount of HFCS and Cane Sugar, you still have not given that to me. We know HFCS is not a health addative, so I am sure someone on a high diet of it would not benifit, but neither would someone on a high cane sugar diet. Dont most of thoes people end up becoming diabetic or something? So once again, please show me the comparisons and how much more dangerous it is. If not I can't view your posts as anything more as an opinionated rant. You may or may not care what I think about it, but I do want to know if there is more to your argument or not. Make me a believer.
11-23-2004, 08:45 PM
You can drag a horse to water but you can't make it drink! If you haven't figured it out by now....you won't figure it out.
11-24-2004, 09:34 PM
So then you dont have the answer.
11-25-2004, 10:03 AM
Um Ron....do you need to be hit in the head?Experts are finding that "high-fructose corn syrup" (HFCS) is making us fat. Scientists at nutrition research centers are saying that it's a huge problem.
Here it is one more time Ron in very simple language. If you don't get it this time you never will.
Exactly what is high-fructose corn syrup? Well, it's not the same thing at all as the natural, healthy fructose in honey and fruit. High-fructose corn syrup is a highly refined, artificial product. It is created through an intricate process that transforms corn starch into a thick, clear liquid. White sugar and high-fructose corn syrup are not the same. Industry advocates for corn growers say that they are the same. But nutritional science studies say that there is a big difference between the two. They say that high-fructose corn syrup is worse than sugar.
This manufactured fructose is sweeter than sugar in an unhealthy way, and is digested differently in a bad way. Research has shown that it goes directly to the liver, releasing enzymes that high-fructose corn syrup instructs the body to then store fat! This may elevate triglyceride (fat in blood) levels and bad cholesterol levels. This fake fructose may slow fat burning and cause weight gain. Other research indicates that it does not stimulate insulin production, which usually creates a sense of being full. Therefore, people may eat more than they should. Indications also are that chromium levels are lowered by this sweetener which may then contribute to type 2 diabetes. Obesity is a contributor too.
Many older Americans are overweight. As we age, our taste buds don't work as efficiently, prompting us to eat more of everything that tastes sweet. High-fructose corn syrup is in almost everything.
The dangers of white sugar have been known for a long time. But now the evidence seems clear that high-fructose corn syrup is an even more dangerous consequence for our love of sweets. Dietary experts are singling out this fake syrup as one reason for the startling rise in obesity in America and related increase in diabetes.
11-25-2004, 01:25 PM
Maybe you dont get my question. I am not asking if HFCS is healthy for you or not, I just want to know how much worse than sugar is it? Yes you can keep quoting that people consume more HFCS than 30 years ago, and that obecity is through the roof (which in a recent fitness test here in the Bay Area, I think more than 25% of the kids could not even meet minimal standards). I get that, HFCS is not a health tonic. But what I want to know, is what exactly is the difference. How exactly is it worse than sugar. If 2 people ate the same foods, but one had HFCS the other did not, does the HFCS guy gain 25 lbs, were the other guy only gains 5? This is what I want to know. Do not show me more copied quotes about how HFCS is bad for you...I get that, and I also dont care. I want to know HOW MUCH WORSE IS HFCS THAN SUGAR. What is the difference if 2 people were tested with HFCS and Sugar. How much worse would someone be if they had only HFCS or only Sugar. This is what I am asking, please show me a comparison. Not anything else on HFCS stuides. Now please answer that or say you dont know. Either one will satisfy me.
11-25-2004, 09:29 PM
Ron I showed you the difference over and over again. HFCS does not act the same in the body as stated above.... if you can't read ....you can't read.
11-27-2004, 01:35 PM
what you are showing me is the effects of a high HFCS diet. Show me the effects of a high sugar diet also please. Yes, as I said I understand HFCS is not a healthy addative for you. I dont care that the body treats it differently than normal sugar, I want to know the difference a body reacts with a high HFCS diet and a high sugar diet. Do not tell me that HFCS acts differently in your body, I dont care. Show me the effects of a high sugar diet please so I can make the conclution my self. But again, if you dont know, that is fine aswell.
01-10-2005, 08:33 PM
i half agree with you on this one, companies are really packing everything with crap, like HFCS and partially hydrogennated oils. they should at least offer a low-carb, low-crap version of foods. thing is though, most of the american public is either dumb and they dont know, or they dont care (like me) plus the companies are so greedy that its never gonna happen. they sell what makes money. as for cigarettes, i blame it on stupidity. people think smoking makes them look cool, so they smoke, then get addicted. good idea but i hate to tell you, it's got about a 1 in a billion chance of happening.
03-12-2005, 06:37 PM
I guess Arizona is going to take the lead in getting rid of junk food and sugar cola's in schools. Makes sense!