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climaxenergydrink
03-05-2007, 06:45 PM
It seems like the ED market is getting saturated with all products with consumption of caffeine less than 250 total mg in there entire bottle or can etc..! SO HERE COMES THE VERY LETHAL " EXTREME " ED CATEGORY !! All products with more than 275mg-600mg !!

WHEN IS ENOUGH....ENOUGH !!

IS THERE GOING TO BE A DIVISION OF A HOSPITAL THAT TREATS CAFFEINE ADDICTS THAT OVERDOSE ON ED'S !!!

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ?

CLIMAX
Lenny

deepnenergy
03-05-2007, 07:05 PM
LOL, yes and the insurance companies will pay for it...

IMO, It may be getting over board on the caffeine. 200mg /240mg is way more then enough also at that level it should serve in a 16oz package totaling for the whole can. Americans are fat and want more and more, 8oz just don't do it for a drink and people just don't drink them for the energy. A lot of people are replacing the CSD with EDs, drinking the same amount almost as they do their soda pop. Remember Cola was a different taste when it first came out, we all were just born into it and so it was normal. Think of the future generations and what will be normal to them?

climaxenergydrink
03-05-2007, 07:14 PM
Caffeine Content of Beverages
Name Ounces Caffeine (mg) mg/oz
180 8.2 90 10.98
7-Up 12 0 0.00
A&W Cream Soda 12 29 2.42
Afri Cola 12 89 7.42
Airforce Nutrisoda Energize 8.45 50 5.92
Ale 8 1 12 37 3.08
AriZona Extreme Energy Shot 8.3 100 12.05
AriZona Green Tea Energy 16 60 3.75
Barq's Red Creme Soda 12 0 0.00
Barq's Root Beer 12 22 1.83
BawlsBuy 10 80 8.00
Bazza High Energy Tea 16.9 150 8.88
Beaver Buzz 8.3 110 13.25
Big Red 12 38 3.17
***Boo-Koo Energy 24 360 15.00
Burn2 16 175 10.94
BuzzWaterBuy 16.9 200 11.83
Celsius 12 200 16.67
Cherry Coke 12 34 2.83
Chocolate Milk 8 5 0.63
Club-Mate 16.9 100 5.92
Coca-Cola BlakBuy 8 46 5.75
Coca-Cola C2 12 34 2.83
Coca-Cola Classic 12 34 2.83
Coca-Cola Zero 12 34.5 2.88
***Cocaine Energy DrinkBuy 8.4 280 33.33
Coffee (Brewed) 8 107.5 13.44
Coffee (Decaf, Brewed) 8 5.6 0.70
Coffee (Decaf, Instant) 8 2.5 0.31
Coffee (Drip) 8 145 18.13
Coffee (Instant) 8 57 7.13
Coolah Energy 16 150 9.38
Crunk 8.3 100 12.05
Daredevil 16 240 15.00
Diablo 8.4 95 11.31
Diet A&W Cream Soda 12 22 1.83
Diet Cherry Coca-Cola 12 34 2.83
Diet Coke 12 45 3.75
Diet Coke with Lemon 12 45 3.75
Diet Coke with Lime 12 45 3.75
Diet Coke with Splenda 12 34 2.83
Diet Dr Pepper 12 41 3.42
Diet Mello Yello 12 51 4.25
Diet Mountain Dew 12 55 4.58
Diet Mr. Pibb 12 40 3.33
Diet Pepsi-Cola 12 36 3.00
Diet Sunkist Orange Soda 12 42 3.50
Diet Vanilla Coke 12 45 3.75
Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi 12 36 3.00
Dr Pepper 12 41 3.42
Enviga 12 100 8.33
Espresso 1.5 77 51.33
Fever Stimulation Beverage 14 34 2.43
Fritz Kola 11.16 83.3 7.46
Full Throttle 16 141 8.81
G Pure Energy 6.76 80 11.83
Glaceau Vitaminwater Energy Citrus 20 42 2.10
Go Fast 11.9 120 10.08
H2O BlastBuy 16 100 6.25
Havoc 8.4 52 6.19
Hiball Energy 10 75 7.50
Hogan Energy 16 160 10.00
Hot Cocoa 8 5 0.63
Hype 8.4 80 9.52
Inko's White Tea Energy 15.5 184 11.87
Java Chai 8 120 15.00
Jolt ColaBuy 23.5 141 6.00
Kore Energy ShotBuy 1.8 100 55.56
Lipton Brisk (all varieties) 12 9 0.75
Lost 16 160 10.00
Lucozade 12.85 46 3.58
MDX 14 82.25 5.88
MDX, Sugar Free 14 87.5 6.25
Mello Yello 12 51 4.25
Mojo 8.4 80 9.52
MonsterBuy 16 140 8.75
Morning SparkBuy 16.9 170 10.06
Mother 11.18 106 9.48
Mountain Dew 12 55 4.58
Mountain Dew Amp 8.4 75 8.93
Mountain Dew Baja Blast 8 36 4.50
Mountain Dew Code Red 12 54 4.50
Naked Juice Energy Smoothie 15.2 81.7 5.37
Nestea Iced Tea 16 34 2.13
Nestea Peach Green Tea 20 42.4 2.12
Nestea Sweetened Lemon Iced Tea 20 27.5 1.38
Nexcite 6.76 64 9.47
NOS 16 250 15.63
O Infused Water - Energize 16 64 4.00
Oregon Chai (Concentrate) 4 32.5 8.13
Pacific ChaiBuy 12 100 8.33
Pepsi One 12 55 4.58
Pepsi-Cola 12 38 3.17
Pibb Xtra 12 40 3.33
Pibb Zero 12 40 3.33
Pimp JuiceBuy 8 81 10.13
Power Horse 8.45 80 9.47
Powershot 1 100 100.00
Red BullBuy 8.3 80 9.64
Red Flash 12 37 3.08
Redline RTDBuy 8 250 31.25
Relentless 16.9 160 9.47
Rip It Energy Fuel 8 100 12.50
Rockstar 16 160 10.00
Rockstar Energy Cola 16 150 9.38
Rockstar Juiced 24 240 10.00
***Rockstar Zero Carb 24 360 15.00
Royal Crown Cola 12 43.2 3.60
Rush! Energy 8.3 50 6.02
Shark 8.4 80 9.52
Sky Rocket Caffeinated SyrupBuy 1 100 100.00
Slim-Fast Cappuccino Delight Shake 12 40 3.33
Snapple Elements 18 108 6.00
Snapple Tea 12 31.5 2.63
SoBe Adrenaline Rush 8.3 79 9.52
SoBe Energy Citrus 20 80 4.00
SoBe Green Tea 20 35 1.75
SoBe No Fear 16 166 10.38
Socko 16 160 10.00
Socko Slim 16 160 10.00
Spark 8 120 15.00
***SPIKE Shooter 8.4 300 35.71
Sprite 12 0 0.00
Starbucks Bottled Frappucino 9.5 90 9.47
Starbucks Double ShotBuy 6.5 130 20.00
Starbucks Grande Caffe Americano 16 174 10.88
Starbucks Grande Caffe Latte 16 116 7.25
Starbucks Grande Caffe Mocha 16 116 7.25
Starbucks Grande Cappuccino 16 116 7.25
Starbucks Grande CoffeeBuy 16 372 23.25
Starbucks Grande Decaf Coffee 16 12.7 0.79
Starbucks Short Coffee 8 186 23.25
Starbucks Tall Caffe Americano 12 116 9.67
Starbucks Tall Caffe Latte 12 58 4.83
Starbucks Tall Caffe Mocha 12 58 4.83
Starbucks Tall Cappuccino 12 58 4.83
Starbucks Tall CoffeeBuy 12 279 23.25
Starbucks Tall Decaf CoffeeBuy 12 9.5 0.79
Steaz Energy Drink 12 80 6.67
Sun Drop 12 63 5.25
Sunkist Orange Soda 12 41 3.42
TaB 12 45 3.75
Tab Energy 10.5 95 9.05
Tazo ChaiBuy 8 47 5.88
Tea (Brewed) 8 47 5.88
Tea (Brewed, Imported) 8 60 7.50
Tea (Green) 8 15 1.88
Tea (Iced) 8 47 5.88
Tea (Instant) 8 26 3.25
Tonic Water 11.9 0 0.00
Twisted Chopper 16 180 11.25
Upshot 2.5 200 80.00
V 11.85 109 9.20
Vamp 16 240 15.00
Vanilla Coke 12 34 2.83
Vault 12 70 5.83
Water Joe 16.9 60 3.55
Who's Your Daddy 16 200 12.50
Whoop Ass 8.45 50 5.92
Wild Cherry Pepsi 12 38 3.17
***Wired X294 16 294 18.38
XSBuy 8.4 83 9.88
XTZ Tea 12 154 12.83
ZipFizz Energy Drink MixBuy 16 100 6.25

climaxenergydrink
03-05-2007, 07:25 PM
CJ,
I don't know about you, but regardless if it is in 8.3 or 24 oz it is still a mega amount of caffeine !! HOW DO YOU TELL A CONSUMER **ONLY CONSUME HALF OF THE CAN OR BOTTLE ** they acquired the taste for it, there not going to put it down !! thats like taking a juicy bone out of a pitbulls mouth !! It just isn't going to happen !!

CLIMAX
Lenny

AllProDist
03-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Rockstar Zero Carb has 360mg of Caffeine! Why isn't anyone reporting on that? There are thousands of kids drinking that drink every day.
Redline and Spike are taking the "hit" for the whole lot!
If any of you guys on this board work for Coke, Please explain your argument for distributing a product that has over 350mg of Caffeine. (4 cups of coffee, or 4 8.5oz Redbulls!)

climaxenergydrink
03-05-2007, 08:32 PM
Well, I drink like 6 Energy Drinks a day. It starts off my day and ends its. But, this one day, I drank like 11. I couldn't remember what I did, and my friend Tia was with me. She said that I had to go to the hospital, and the docters had to pump my stomach. This was the scariest moment in my life, and even though I was being dumb, I am still addicted to energy drinks. If I had the chance to quit I would have put my life on it. But, now my life depends on them. I have spend more then 300$ a month on them. I wanted to tell people how bad they are and how they can run your life.

Posted by: Leigha and tia at March 6, 2006 10:45 AM


* CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MANY YOUNG ADULTS ARE NOT EDUCATED I SAY WE PUT TOGETHER A BUS AND GRAB EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD AND GO TO HIGH SCHOOLS ALL OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS AND EDUCATE THESE INDIVIDUALS !!

OH BY THE WAY GREG'S DRIVING I GOT SHOTGUN !!!

CLIMAX
Lenny

David J.
03-05-2007, 08:59 PM
Rockstar Zero Carb has 360mg of Caffeine! Why isn't anyone reporting on that? There are thousands of kids drinking that drink every day.
Redline and Spike are taking the "hit" for the whole lot!
If any of you guys on this board work for Coke, Please explain your argument for distributing a product that has over 350mg of Caffeine. (4 cups of coffee, or 4 8.5oz Redbulls!)

I think that is 24oz size. I've had Zero Carb a few times, and I don't feel that bad. The first time I had it, it was too sweet, and I think that was the splenda. I find it funny that Coke has no problem distributing some other companys e-drink that's more powerful that what they can come up with.

I wish we had 24oz Zero Carb here. I can tell you that a 20oz Mountain Dew gives me more of a boost than one of those 9oz iced starbucks drinks they sell at the C-store. I just tried one for kicks, and I found a $1.25 Mountain Dew did the job better.

deepnenergy
03-06-2007, 10:29 AM
Rockstar Zero Carb has 360mg of Caffeine! Why isn't anyone reporting on that? There are thousands of kids drinking that drink every day.
Redline and Spike are taking the "hit" for the whole lot!
If any of you guys on this board work for Coke, Please explain your argument for distributing a product that has over 350mg of Caffeine. (4 cups of coffee, or 4 8.5oz Redbulls!)

RS Zero Carb 16 oz has 260mg of caffeine and as far as I know right now they do not have it in 24oz. unless someone has seen one??? Remember they have caffeine but not a whole lot of anything else.

What I was trying to explain is that Americans drink way more then 8oz of any liquid. Hell, I bet no one reading this don't own a 8oz glass at home. It's when you cram so much in a small amount. see, granted that construction worker was thirsty he wanted more then 8oz of liquid. I can suck down a 44oz with a spicy lunch, how about you?

climaxenergydrink
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
you are propably right when you reiterated that the average American consumer drinks an e drink in place of a coca-cola or pepsi a regular soda to actually quench there thirst!! I am hoping they do not do the same with the you know what " extreme " e drinks !!

CLIMAX
Lenny

deepnenergy
03-06-2007, 01:09 PM
you are propably right when you reiterated that the average American consumer drinks an e drink in place of a coca-cola or pepsi a regular soda to actually quench there thirst!! I am hoping they do not do the same with the you know what " extreme " e drinks !!

CLIMAX
Lenny

That's what I'm talking about. Not only as manufacturer's but as fellow Americans we need to look at the BIG picture and see beyond sales dollars and cents. This is big stuff not some kids ice cream soda. We have the right to manufacture but please control your self and pack that power in a beverage more comp to the amount people are use to drinking. Now of course it might cost a little more to do the 16oz but you will not have people drinking two back to back....AND YOU CAN MAKE BIGGER WARRING LABELS :)

Even RL is 1/2 bottle = 1 serving Just spread it out and he will not want two with his spicy lunch...

greg
03-06-2007, 02:38 PM
I think that is 24oz size. I've had Zero Carb a few times, and I don't feel that bad. The first time I had it, it was too sweet, and I think that was the splenda. I find it funny that Coke has no problem distributing some other companys e-drink that's more powerful that what they can come up with.

I wish we had 24oz Zero Carb here. I can tell you that a 20oz Mountain Dew gives me more of a boost than one of those 9oz iced starbucks drinks they sell at the C-store. I just tried one for kicks, and I found a $1.25 Mountain Dew did the job better.


Why does size matter? Most if not all people buy the 24oz to drink the whole thing. What is the difference between 360mgs of caffeine in an 8oz drink and 360mgs in a 24oz drink????? NOTHING!

greg
03-06-2007, 02:42 PM
Well, I drink like 6 Energy Drinks a day. It starts off my day and ends its. But, this one day, I drank like 11. I couldn't remember what I did, and my friend Tia was with me. She said that I had to go to the hospital, and the docters had to pump my stomach. This was the scariest moment in my life, and even though I was being dumb, I am still addicted to energy drinks. If I had the chance to quit I would have put my life on it. But, now my life depends on them. I have spend more then 300$ a month on them. I wanted to tell people how bad they are and how they can run your life.

Posted by: Leigha and tia at March 6, 2006 10:45 AM


* CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MANY YOUNG ADULTS ARE NOT EDUCATED I SAY WE PUT TOGETHER A BUS AND GRAB EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD AND GO TO HIGH SCHOOLS ALL OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS AND EDUCATE THESE INDIVIDUALS !!

OH BY THE WAY GREG'S DRIVING I GOT SHOTGUN !!!

CLIMAX
Lenny

I see your humor but reread the blog again...the kid admits she was be reckless and irresponsible. She has a mental and possibly physiological dependency on caffeine, or what she thinks is a mental and physiological dependence. It could be a kid that wants everyone to think she is cool.

deepnenergy
03-06-2007, 04:44 PM
I see your humor but reread the blog again...the kid admits she was be reckless and irresponsible. She has a mental and possibly physiological dependency on caffeine, or what she thinks is a mental and physiological dependence. It could be a kid that wants everyone to think she is cool.
The thing is we are all right. Every answer has a good point but not every answer has the best outcome. I do agree with Greg and to say that the consumer has a responsibility to watch what they eat and drink but like Beer and smokes and other age restricted consumer items the manufactures has the responsibility to educate the end seller, DSD, and anyone else that deals with the consumer we so desperately need to be successful.

And yes Greg Size does make a difference in the amount one will drink in one setting. I'm not even all that smart and I can see that. Your drink is tasty is also holds one of the most popular names in BMX racing RedLine Racing/Bikes. This what ever age man could have related it to a trusted name from his past and bought two just because they were 8oz, Not enough to handle a thirsty man with just one & a spicy lunch...IMO :)

deepnenergy
03-06-2007, 05:01 PM
CJ,
I don't know about you, but regardless if it is in 8.3 or 24 oz it is still a mega amount of caffeine !! HOW DO YOU TELL A CONSUMER **ONLY CONSUME HALF OF THE CAN OR BOTTLE ** they acquired the taste for it, there not going to put it down !! thats like taking a juicy bone out of a pitbulls mouth !! It just isn't going to happen !!

CLIMAX
Lenny

I will say one thing, having to consume a 16 or 24 take a little longer to drink giving the supplements more time to take effect. I will usually not finish a Rage :) by the time I get about half way through to the end, I do feel it and there are times when I'm hitting it hard and want the whole can. But I know where I'm, at about the half way mark.

I'm not saying for these EDs to double up and create a 16 oz. I'm saying to stretch it out over 16oz because one thing is for sure if all this does cause the Government (FDA) to step in we will not be able to explain that it can make a difference between 8 and 16oz, we just will not be able to create these drinks at all out side some limited to the tilt guide line.

greg
03-06-2007, 05:06 PM
And yes Greg Size does make a difference in the amount one will drink in one setting. I'm not even all that smart and I can see that. Your drink is tasty is also holds one of the most popular names in BMX racing RedLine Racing/Bikes. This what ever age man could have related it to a trusted name from his past and bought two just because they were 8oz, Not enough to handle a thirsty man with just one & a spicy lunch...IMO :)


I didn't say what you are implying. I said that there is no difference between 360mgs of caffeine whether it be in an 8oz or a 24 oz.

As far as the BMX thing goes I personally don't see it. I go back to price on this. My drink cost twice as much as most 16oz drinks. If a guy is buying ED's for his own nostalgic feelings concerning his days of youth riding a bike around a dirt track then so be it. But it remains that he must KNOW what he is buying. I have never just bought anything just to buy it and then try and figure out what it is later.

deepnenergy
03-06-2007, 05:27 PM
I didn't say what you are implying. I said that there is no difference between 360mgs of caffeine whether it be in an 8oz or a 24 oz.

As far as the BMX thing goes I personally don't see it. I go back to price on this. My drink cost twice as much as most 16oz drinks. If a guy is buying ED's for his own nostalgic feelings concerning his days of youth riding a bike around a dirt track then so be it. But it remains that he must KNOW what he is buying. I have never just bought anything just to buy it and then try and figure out what it is later.

It's not the nostalgic feelings he had, it's the TRUST of the brand name (NOT That He Did at all know what Redline was). Like the name Johnson & Johnson, a lot of small and large business have Johnson in the name. Johnson Doors, Johnson hardware, Johnson travel, and so on. It is a trusted brand name and I can name more then that. I was not trying to pin on you I was just trying to prove a point that 8oz was just not enough tasty Redline for that man. Like the girl that drank a bunch of 8oz drinks.

QUESTION FOR ALL, since all this has started has anyone had this happen with a 16oz??? I would think it is much harder to get down a full 32oz of ED before felling it. When I buy a 44oz fountain I only get 24 to 27oz of soda because of the ice....IMO

climaxenergydrink
03-06-2007, 05:50 PM
greg...posted

but reread the blog again...the kid admits she was be reckless and irresponsible. She has a mental and possibly physiological dependency on caffeine, or what she thinks is a mental and physiological dependence. It could be a kid that wants everyone to think she is cool !

greg regardless SHE STILL HAS A PROBLEM it doesn't matter what it is mental, psychological etc.. she still has a dependency on ed's AND THAT TO ME IS A PROBLEM !! 6-11 anywheres between 400mg-1200mg caffeine mixed with all that sugar !!

The intent of the blog was to show you all that there is an issue in this country among all the others !! it is sad to know that the government will do very little about it until there are major deaths and the families of the victims will get backed by politicians ( because we all know they have to have a purpose in the circle ) and than there will be legislation passed for a c store owner to i.d. under age un educated ed users !! How does the c store owner know if the ed user is un educated ? DOES THE ED USER HAVE TO WALK AROUND WITH AN ED CARD ? EVERYTIME HE OR SHE PURCHASES AN ENERGY DRINK THE OWNER PUNCHES THE CARD !! NO MATTER WHAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A BLACK MARKET and a way for any persons to get anything they want !!!

CLIMAX
L

climaxenergydrink
03-06-2007, 06:04 PM
greg...JUST CAME ACROSS THIS !!

......The government is already knee deep in our personal lives. We need to take personal responibility for our own lives.
The government will have all drink makers put the caffeine content on the labels next year of every drink made,supplement or not. Perhaps then we will move forward to having to teach people to read before they buy ED's because the manufacturer is to irresponsible to insure that its potential consume can read.

THIS IS A START !!!!!

It should be the responsibility of the supplier to let the perspective consumer know what is exactly in there product !!

This should be regulated by the govt and approved by the FDA !! THIS WILL WEED ALL THE HARMFUL ED'S OUT ON THE MARKET !!


CLIMAX
L

BriGuy20
03-07-2007, 12:23 AM
I think there's a market, but it will be small compared to the rest of the energy drink market (maybe 10-15%).

This will be the next step for caffeine addicts.

climaxenergydrink
03-07-2007, 02:10 PM
BriGuy.. i find it interesting that you think 10 - 15 % will be the portion of the " extreme " category !!

Just curious how you came up with the number ? a guess perhaps ?

thanks !!

CLIMAX
L

BriGuy20
03-07-2007, 02:41 PM
Climax:

Just a guess. My hunch is that the heavy ED drinkers (such as myself) will transition over to the higher caffeine brands once they develop a high tolerance, and my hunch is that these heavy drinkers make up about 10-15% of the market.

I think as the ED market expands, the potential market for high-caf brands will go up as well, but high-caf adoption will lag a bit behind ED adoption.

Might be an interesting comparison looking at Starbucks: How many of their customers get doubleshots (or more) in their drinks?

climaxenergydrink
03-07-2007, 03:52 PM
But you do mention that you are a heavy e drinker in what sense, what makes you a heavy e drinker ?

** my guess is you are consuming 300-600mg caffeine per day that equates to 2-3 e drinks depending on which ones ofcourse , i am guessing 1 RS=360 & 2 RB's=160 **520mg there but i am going out on the limb and saying you are consuming more because of you mentioning your acceptance of tolerance towards ed's !! And more importantly are you active ? Or are you banging them out because you have a busy schedule & lifestyle to fulfill !!

i appreciate your feedback !!


CLIMAX
L

BriGuy20
03-11-2007, 04:14 PM
I'm a heavy ED drinker in the sense that I'm approaching on the order of 2 16oz per day or so (Monster at home, Red Bull at work). I seem to be developing a tolerance for caffeine, but not to an extent that it's tremendously noticeable.

I'm actually not very active beyond the demands of my job (bartender, which can get hectic on weekends), though beyond my job I'd say that my lifestyle isn't tremendously demanding.

climaxenergydrink
03-12-2007, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the feedback !! 2 Monsters & 1 RB interesting !!

i personally have a redline 6am.. very active...and a rejuvenating, recover type of drink with no caffeine at 1pm...So it's all about your lifestyle !! If your busy and you know you have to keep yourself going because you have a full agenda for the day. Than you have to do, what you have to do in order to fulfill your energy needs !!

CLIMAX
Lenny