E-dude....
if what your saying you truly believe in (bids) then go out and try to out bid RB.

I dont see the cola comp. Ron was speaking of (specher) here complaining that they cant get into Colleges, or Hospitals etc. where there are contracts/bids with Coke n Pepsi.

So again we all say, stop complaining about "the man keeping you down" and get some inecitive and hit the streets a sellin!!

Xtreme....... it is simple minded responses like the last one you gave that makes me go crazy. You write these responses and I wonder if you read what you say before you push "Add Reply". I am not complaining and I sell plenty of product. All I ask for is fair competition, not illegal trade practices. RB's exclusionary tactics are unfair and often illegal is my point. Many bars do not offer a variety of energy drinks because RB has them thrown out. If their product is so great... why do this? Paying a bar to keep other products out is restrict of trade!!!!!!! Can you imagine Microsoft paying to keep everyone elses browser off their computer????? It would be ILLEGAL! GET THE POINT!

ONCE AGAIN KWRB..... NOT THE POINT!!!!!!

I will only ask you this energydude;

How many bars sell more than one brand of fruit juice?

How may bars sell more than one brand of fizzy drink?

I will answer it for you, none. Each bar sells only one brand of any non alcoholic product. Why? it's very simple, drink takes up space which most bars do not have enough of.

If I want lets say a Coke and the bar only sells Pepsi so be it, if I don't like it I can go to another bar. That's the choice I have. Not every bar sells Red Bull otherwise you would be selling nothing.

If Red Bull is the energy drink sold in a bar I have to decide to buy it or drink something else or go somewhere else.

It just so happens that at the moment the most common energy drink on the market is Red Bull. And the reason for that is they spend allot of money in making sure their product is widely available. That is something all the rest of us energy drink manufacturers have to achieve if indeed it's what we want to do.

Enerdrinks (who I work for) competes every single day with Red Bull in one way or another, we win some we lose some. That's how it works. If Red Bull has a stronghold in a region we don't touch it with a barge pole, we look for somewhere that they are not so good in. Then once that region is established enough we look where we couldn't before. It's for us as simple as that.

Don't forget Red Bull is also almost the only company that actually spends money so people remember their name. That is why they are number one, that is why they sell more drink, that is why they are in more bars and places than anyone else. If it's for any other reason then beat them at their own game.

It is just sad that you seem to be the only one on BevNET that doesn't realise this, unless I am very much mistaken.

How about it if there are topics on the board where we add something instead of tooing and throwing with you all the time?

First of all you are right Xtreme I wish more people would bring interesting topics to the board for discussion..... I am all for it. It may be difficult Toby1 can barely tie his shoes and you want him to start an interesting topic?
Secondly, not my point, not my point! RB is restricting trade yes or no....yes or no.

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great rebutle there e-dude....you sound like a child!
my reply was a very valid one and I am starting to agree with EXTREME on the note he made that WE all need to bring something to this board insteed of ARGUING with a "closed minded crybaby" like yourself!

MY OFFICAL NOTICE: I am not replying nor answering to any of ENERGYDUDES posts again.

anyone else?

KWRB you will be sorely missed the 8 brilliant post that you brought to this board to help inform and educate us will be forever enshrined in our memory.

I guess when you can't defend yourself it is best to cut and run huh?!?!

I have said I would no longer respond to any of energydudes posts but unfortunately what he says sometimes needs to be argued, but not any more. I am tiered of him thinking that only he can be right and the rest of us wrong. This is a board for everyone to have a say.

Energydude PLEASE stop advertising and thinking we are all fools, or even better start up your own board. I'm sure the people that want to read what you normally say will be queue up at your door asking for the web site address.

Xtreme I am not advertising anything. I have said SumPoosie is a great energy drink and that is it. I am not selling on this board at all that is Ebay's job. It just stuns me that you will attack me and not address the issues. If you can't defend your stance then step back if you can then step up. Coco has no problem doing it. Read his post......very calm, very intelligent every time.
On this board I guess it is evil to say you love a product, I have attempted to stick with issues and people get frustrated because they lack the ability to express themselves or their theories.
I have asked over and over again isn't it restrict of trade what RB is doing at bars and nightclubs across the country and I can't get one straight answer...........

Xtreme if the kitchen gets too hot stop on out.

NO, and sort of energydude. Many bars only want to carry Red Bull because they don't have time to train their bartenders to learn new drinks, or do they have time to have bartenders explain the new drinks to customers. I have sold other drinks, including my current one, were I have been able to get into bars that do and don't sell Red Bull. And there are bars that say, Hey I only order Red Bull cause I move so much of it, and oh yeah, they give me an extra 10 cases per month. Thats the bars choice, not mine or Red Bulls. For your product, that poses a problem because your marketability limits you to mainly bars and places like that. But its not like this is something that just started, they have had this program going for sometime. And the loosing $50K a year for a bar, they are not just going to replace all sales with Sum Poosie. There will be people who will not order that drink, or go elsewere because they do not serve their drink anymore. If your stat is true, 1 out of 10 people will drink a mixed drink with an energy drink, 8 out of thoes 80 people will want a Red Bull drink and the other 2 our of 20 will not care. Of the 8 who drink Red Bull, 3 of them will switch if there is a promo going on, because it means free or cheaper drinks. Sum Poosie, great or not, does not carry a name that will position its self to be at the top of the game, nor does it have the marketability to have the drink in your local bar, and the store you shop in for grocereys, and the local mom and pop were you pick up some milk, and your TV at home were you watch movies. For you, if sucks that Red Bull can demand these things because that is a huge part of your busines (Bars), but thats the rules of the game.