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  1. #1
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    I have done a little research on Cyclamates, and it looks like the product should have never been banned. It is still used in many countries and has been re-approved in many more. Currently the FDA is still reconsidering its use in the US. I do not care for diet drinks, but I can remember how great Fresca tasted and how well it sold. Cyclamates are much sweeter and cheaper than almost everyother sweetener.

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    so where's your research? i don't remember old fresca at all...
    woot woot

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    Do a web search on cyclamates and draw your own conclusions. Before 1968 almost all diet drinks contained cyclamates and tasted good. You may be too young to remember the Fresca in the 10oz frosty green glass bottles. One day the US government banned cyclamates because of tainted studies and all diet drinks were pulled off the shelves overnight.

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    what about sucralose? isn't that the healthy alternative?

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    nutsack

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    Of course, that's your healthy alternative....
    Give Me My PiBB!<br />--<br /> - Clarke

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    Yes, the Sasaki study didn't find genotoxicity from a single heavy dose of
    Ace-K or stevia in 4 mice each, using the highly sensitive Comet assay on 8
    tissues:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/961
    genotoxins, Comet assay in mice: Ace-K, stevia fine; aspartame poor;
    sucralose, cyclamate, saccharin bad: Y.F. Sasaki Aug 2002:
    Murray 1.27.3 rmforall [A detailed look at the data]

    Aspartame at 24 hours had levels too low to reach significance with any
    of the 21 control groups.

    However, people who are heavy users of aspartame for years are bound to
    accumulate toxic metabolites of the three components of aspartame:
    methanol 11%, phenylalanine 50%, aspartic acid 29%, all genotoxic
    [Trocho (1998), Karakis (1998)].

    Comparing the mean control values to the values for the other 7 sweeteners:
    Best is acesulfame K, with no significant or high values.

    Good is glycyrrhizin (derived from licorice), two 1.4 ratios for Stomach and
    Brain.

    Next is stevia, with one high value [above ratio 1.4],
    9.48+-1.99 for Bladder, 2000 mg 3 hr, ratio 1.8 .

    Aspartame has high values for 2000 mg 3 hr for Stomach, Colon, Liver,
    Bladder, Lung.

    Sucralose has 3 significant values
    and 13 high values, for
    Stomach, Colon, Kidney, Bladder, Lung, Brain.

    Sodium cyclamate has 4 significant values and 10 high values for
    Stomach, Colon, Liver, Kidney, Bladder, Lung, Brain, Bone.

    Saccharin has 3 highly significant values for Colon, and 13 high values for
    Stomach, Colon, Kidney, Lung, Brain, Bone.

    Sodium saccharin has 5 highly significant values for Stomach and Colon,
    and 14 high values for
    Stomach, Liver, Kidney, Bladder, Lung, Brain, Bone.

    We should keep in mind that toxicity in humans involves many vulnerable
    groups, years of daily use, often evolution of hypersensitivity, and
    complex interactions with a multitude of foods, additives, and other toxins.

    Notice that stevia did have one high value, for
    bladder, which would become significant if a few dozen mice had been tested.

    The Sasaki study can readily be expanded by testing primates and
    humans,using many more subjects, tissues, levels of dose, durations of
    exposure,special subjects (fetus, infant, youth, mature, old, obese, ill,
    stressed, specific genetic weaknesses, simultaneous exposure to other
    toxins)-- so clearly it is
    an astonishing pilot study, that has received very little attention. Sasaki
    has not answered any of my posts, so I can only hope he is expanding his
    research.

    I use my open group archive as a web site, since anyone can access any
    of my 1023 posts.

    All three of these reviews, which I put on the archive about every three
    months, contain this summary of symptoms, roughly in order of prevalence and
    development in time:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1024
    aspartame review: methanol, formaldehyde, formic acid toxicity:
    Murray 9.5.3 rmforall about 30K

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/983
    aspartame & formaldehyde toxicity: Murray 9.5.3 rmforall
    about 25K, more like an article

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1012
    brief aspartame review: formaldehyde toxicity: Murray 9.5.3 rmforall
    about 12K

    Many scientific studies and case histories report: * headaches
    * many body and joint pains (or burning, tingling, tremors, twitching,
    spasms, cramps, stiffness, numbness, difficulty swallowing) * fever, fatigue,
    swollen glands * "mind fog", "feel unreal", poor memory, confusion, anxiety,
    irritability, depression, mania, insomnia, dizziness, slurred speech,
    sexual problems, poor vision, hearing (deafness, tinnitus), or taste
    * red face, itching, rashes, hair loss, burning eyes or throat, dry eyes or mouth,
    mouth sores, burning tongue * obesity, bloating, edema, anorexia,
    poor appetite or excessive hunger or thirst * breathing problems,
    shortness of breath * nausea, diarrhea or constipation * coldness * sweating
    * racing heart, low or high blood pressure, erratic blood sugar levels
    * hypothryroidism or hyperthyroidism * seizures * birth defects
    * brain cancers * addiction * aggrivates diabetes, autism, allergies, ADHD,
    fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivity,
    multiple sclerosis, and interstitial cystitis (bladder pain).

    Thanks, Rich

    Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall@att.net
    1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 USA 505-986-9103
    Send blank post to: <br />aspartameNM-subscribe@onelist.com to join<br />free,open, list with searchable archives for toxicity issues.<br />Richard \"Rich\" T. Murray Room For All 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, NM 87505<br />rmforall@comcast.net 505-501-2298

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