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    Quote Originally Posted by greg View Post
    HMMMM the market leader sucks according to you! Although they have lost market share They are still number one. The didnt create the category but they marketed it better than anyone else before them.
    What do you consider "better"?

    Out of your 3 you only have one real contender in my opinion.
    Well, considering 2 of the 3 brands he listed are made by the same company, Hansen's seems like he is a bit influenced already!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg View Post
    Personally I think this is step #1 to have the company go Public.
    sign me up for the IPO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRGSLLR55 View Post
    sign me up for the IPO!
    I am sure it will do well but I think they are about 12-18 months too late - not saying they won't make a mint, however. Just like RockStar should have sold out when they were at the top of their game a couple years ago, now your sales and market share slides and you are on the outside looking in, some people can't get out of their ego's own way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetset View Post
    I am sure it will do well but I think they are about 12-18 months too late - not saying they won't make a mint, however. Just like RockStar should have sold out when they were at the top of their game a couple years ago, now your sales and market share slides and you are on the outside looking in, some people can't get out of their ego's own way....
    This most likely less of an ego thing and more of a legacy endeavor. The MAN has enough money, He is getting older and would like to leave a legacy of more than just being a great beverage marketer.
    Philanthropic endeavors help shape a man of his age. The company is way too big for a complete sell off to one or two companies so he will offer up shares that will enrich his foundation, thereby creating a lasting legacy of more than just his current total net worth. It will live for years to come.
    Last edited by greg; 08-18-2009 at 03:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg View Post
    This most likely less of an ego thing and more of a legacy endeavor. The MAN has enough money, He is getting older and would like to leave a legacy of more than just being a great beverage marketer.
    Philanthropic endeavors help shape a man of his age. The company is way too big for a complete sell off to one or two companies so he will offer up shares that will enrich his foundation, thereby creating a lasting legacy of more than just his current total net worth. It will live for years to come.
    Sorry Greg, bad wording, I didn't mean to infer that the ego of Red Bull's owner was getting in the way, rather that the ego of RockStar's owner is getting the best of him.

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    To me it looks like they want to improve execution. I think this is a natural maturing of the business after after a growth period. And it would be natural for them to see numbers slowing and look for anyone else to blame. Next they'll have to blame customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertrucker View Post
    To me it looks like they want to improve execution. I think this is a natural maturing of the business after after a growth period. And it would be natural for them to see numbers slowing and look for anyone else to blame. Next they'll have to blame customers.
    It seems the only distributors that they have "bought back/out" have been top performers. Why would they want the guys that already do a good job if they are loking to "improve execution"?
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    If you're going to build a national network wouldn't you want to start with the best talent and the largest volume outfits. I don't think it's like Coke's hospital ward of distributors where they turn around losers. It wouldn't make sense for RB to absorb the losers, they would just want the territory back. Improving execution could simply mean vertical integration creating efficiencies, increasing market leverage and capturing downstream profit. It could also be a smart move before releasing a broader range of product. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monstertrucker View Post
    If you're going to build a national network wouldn't you want to start with the best talent and the largest volume outfits. I don't think it's like Coke's hospital ward of distributors where they turn around losers. It wouldn't make sense for RB to absorb the losers, they would just want the territory back. Improving execution could simply mean vertical integration creating efficiencies, increasing market leverage and capturing downstream profit. It could also be a smart move before releasing a broader range of product. We shall see.
    Valid points, but why get nominal success from successful distributors already? How much can you improve a distributor that has saturated his market and is in 97% of On Premise and C-store outlets already? Logic dictates that the focus should be on "bringing up" poor performers to levels of other distributors to increase shareholder/brand value if you are looking to improve execution.
    You dont kill the bird dog thats doing all your hunting with another dog that is just as good....you replace the weaker ones to improve the hunt!
    I still think they are positioning themselves for an IPO. Wall Street is going to want to see sustainability and strong performers in their segment. By Buying Back the stronger players and most successful distributors the numbers will be there to back up their offering. Once the IPO is initialized and executed they will use the cash to buy back smaller "underperforming" distributors to "...Improve execution by installing vertical integration efficiencies, increasing market leverage and capturing downstream profit. "
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    Looks like Victory didn't waste any time rebranding their trucks. Found this today.



    Skinny Water is a Philadelphia area company, headed up by the former President/CEO of Philadelphia Coke. They have pretty good distribution around here, with a lot of chain authorizations.

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