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  • #46
    if he was walking around bragging about how great cocaine was I would be greatly concerned.posted 10-12-2006 05:56 PM -TTB

    Lets not forget it is a ENERGY DRINK TTB ! NOT THE REAL THING !

    "THE LEGAL ALTERNATIVE"

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    • #47
      Actions(names & labels)speak louder than words("It's only an energy drink.")
      Don't worry, be happy. Meher Baba

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      • #48
        ?

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        • #49
          Children,teenagers and those who have not been around drugs might be induced to think that if this energy drink is cool then why not experiment with the real thing (cocaine,crack or what ever).
          Don't worry, be happy. Meher Baba

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          • #50
            What are the line extensions....Heroin and LSD? What does it say about the person who would distribute or retail this product? Has integrity been replaced by a few bucks? I hope no one invests heavy in inventory 'cause the clock is running on those 15 minutes.......
            banned

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            • #51
              Hey everyone, I am by no means an expert in this field, but I am a marketing major at Temple University. (Like that matters?) I was just reading tons, and I mean TONS, of information regarding the COCAINE energy drink, and I came across this site. I figured I would just drop my 2 cents into this conversation.

              First and foremost, I believe that energy drinks in general should only be allowed to be purchased by people 18 years of age and older. There is hardly any need for 12, 13, or even 16 year olds to be out there chugging energy drinks trying to obtain legal highs, or whatever else they think they're doing. (And if you get into the argument of kids wanting it more, I highly doubt a single can of an energy will cause them to sneak into a store and steal it.) Anyway, for the past couple of years, we have all seen the marketing of numerous energy drink companies, and things such as espressos. Who are they marketed to? Who uses them? College students, and workers (particularily with long and/or late shifts.) I do not believe this 'age of consumption' will rapidly change due to a new drink. And think about this....how many kids under 17-18 have even heard about this yet? The answer is not many.

              College students and adult workers have been around long enough to know the difference between right and wrong (to a basic extent), and they know that an energy drink IS NOT a controlled substance. Personally, at 19, I drink 3 or 4 energy drinks a week due to my current workload. I think the name issue with Cocaine makes most people not want to try it anyway, but I plan to. The large amount of caffeine in this drink is enough to give me cause to try it.

              I believe that the company was fully aware of exactly what will happen with the name. Mainstream will hate it, "underground" will love it. This drink will make it big at clubs. And from there, club goers will tell more of their college friends, and convince them to try it when there is a long paper they have to do the night before it is due. And then that person will tell another, and another, and so on.

              One final point in this lenghty post. Red Bull's slogan, anyone know what it is?

              Red Bull gives you wings.

              ^That statement breaks down to give you one, basic, underlying message. (This I know for a fact.)

              Wings make you fly. When you fly, you are high.

              The real slogan?

              Red Bull gets you high.

              But because their slogan isn't "Get's you high", no one realizes it and they allow it. It's an obvious, yet somehow subconsious message like many others that our nation accepts blindly, while we practically condemn the makers of other products, like Cocaine Energy Drink.

              Thanks for taking the time to read this.

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              • #52
                Oh I so remember my college days of rose colored glasses,whippets and bongs. My world made sense to me in my own ideal reality.

                Little did I know that as the years past,what I thought was ideal
                was just a hedonistic blur.

                I standby my original posts,using illicit drug names for energy drink names is a disgrace and at minimal immoral.

                [ 10-17-2006, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Mr Zabe ]
                Don't worry, be happy. Meher Baba

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                • #53
                  I don't believe your post was made in an attacking manner, but it definately came off that way. I'm not trying to take part in an argument, I'd like to take part in a discussion. So:

                  Not once did I ever advocate, nor take part in whippets, marijuana, and/or the like. So, the first part of your post assuming that I'm a drug-using bum, doesn't come off so well. I have no false-perception of reality. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know the way the world works, but what I will tell you is that I know Cocaine the ENERGY DRINK. ISN'T THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. Do you drink red bull? Having several cans of red bull (sugarfree) will be nearly the same as one can of Cocaine the energy drink.

                  Your second part of your post: I'm sorry you lived in such a hedonistic blur of life. Did you attend college in the 70s? Just wondering (I'm not trying to be an *******, but things are not nearly as wild as they used to be.)

                  And finally, using a name for something that people abuse isn't immoral. People CHOOSE to snort cocaine. People CHOOSE to take ecstasy. (There are energy pills called something like X-tasy, as well as an alcoholic drink called X-tasy. Why not call them immoral.)

                  I'm goning to use an example I heard the other day to show Immorality as it pertains to people naming things.

                  Immoral is like hearing that a skiier crashes into a tree. And knowing that the man just died, someone says "Hey look, that guy pulled a Sonny Bono."

                  People that die as a result to drug abuse is what makes the drug itself a bad thing. Alcohol abuse is so prevalent in this country, yet we do very, very little about it, and it's a shame. I wish that as a country we learned to regulate things in a much more appropriate manner, rather than saying "You CAN do this. You CAN'T do that. You MUST do this, and you can NEVER do that."

                  I'm not mad at cocaine the substance for many of its users dieing. I'd be more mad at them for wasting their life.

                  And PLEASE don't start saying I want cocaine to be legalized, because I don't. And also, don't say I want alcohol illegal, because I didn't say that either.

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                  • #54
                    We can agree to disagree.
                    Don't worry, be happy. Meher Baba

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by MagicMan12g:
                      I don't believe your post was made in an attacking manner, but it definately came off that way. I'm not trying to take part in an argument, I'd like to take part in a discussion. So:

                      Not once did I ever advocate, nor take part in whippets, marijuana, and/or the like. So, the first part of your post assuming that I'm a drug-using bum, doesn't come off so well. I have no false-perception of reality. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know the way the world works, but what I will tell you is that I know Cocaine the ENERGY DRINK. ISN'T THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. Do you drink red bull? Having several cans of red bull (sugarfree) will be nearly the same as one can of Cocaine the energy drink.

                      Your second part of your post: I'm sorry you lived in such a hedonistic blur of life. Did you attend college in the 70s? Just wondering (I'm not trying to be an *******, but things are not nearly as wild as they used to be.)

                      And finally, using a name for something that people abuse isn't immoral. People CHOOSE to snort cocaine. People CHOOSE to take ecstasy. (There are energy pills called something like X-tasy, as well as an alcoholic drink called X-tasy. Why not call them immoral.)

                      I'm goning to use an example I heard the other day to show Immorality as it pertains to people naming things.

                      Immoral is like hearing that a skiier crashes into a tree. And knowing that the man just died, someone says "Hey look, that guy pulled a Sonny Bono."

                      People that die as a result to drug abuse is what makes the drug itself a bad thing. Alcohol abuse is so prevalent in this country, yet we do very, very little about it, and it's a shame. I wish that as a country we learned to regulate things in a much more appropriate manner, rather than saying "You CAN do this. You CAN'T do that. You MUST do this, and you can NEVER do that."

                      I'm not mad at cocaine the substance for many of its users dieing. I'd be more mad at them for wasting their life.

                      And PLEASE don't start saying I want cocaine to be legalized, because I don't. And also, don't say I want alcohol illegal, because I didn't say that either.
                      WHAT?????? Could you be more all over the map!
                      Regulate things by having the govt tell me I MUST Do that or I MUST do this? C'mon. The market has already decided what it is going to do with Cocaine the energy drink...that is, not let it succeeed.
                      Morals are not equal in society. The environment one grows up in helps form morals, therefore, that is why America is a land that has a rule of law, not a land of morals.

                      [ 10-17-2006, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: greg ]
                      Whether you think can or think you can\'t, you\'re probably right!

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                      • #56
                        greg (with a small "g" lol), I went "all over the map" covering myself in response to Mr. Zabe's post. I don't plan to be so thorough to the point where I write you a full 100 page book about it, I figured I could just be brief on several subjects, separated by paragraphs.

                        The market has decided nothing yet, as the product is brand new. Maybe it will be destroyed, maybe it won't. I could care less, I just figured I would take part in the discussion. Only thing I have to contribute is the fact that I see this product being more of a club/"underground" sort of thing. Much like the drink "Bawls" was for a while, before they put that into stores.

                        Mr Zabe, I'm glad we can at least agree on something though :-D lol

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                        • #57
                          I have read all the posts on this particular section.Everyone i am amazed about the passion we the proprietors of these energy drink companys and ultimately the consumer have on this industry ! I hope to see this for days, months, years to come ! It is great that we have this outlet to network and convey our messages ! GOD BLESS AMERICA ! With that being said i believe James Kirby the pres of Cocaine energy drink is a genius. This is the american dream and he is living it ! It could be one of you or me to that extent. He had the idea and streamlined it right into the mainstream ! Boards like this are helping his product reap the benefit because we are the ones that get the WORD OUT ! I truly believe he is not in this for the long term and i can honestly see this products demise within a 6 mos period or even sooner but he's CLIMAXING on the buzz of us and the media.I have never seen anything like this. The publicity is absolutely amazing ! The so called aftermath of it is true that IT IS NOT A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE IT IS A ENERGY DRINK REPEAT THAT EVERYONE ! If parents do what they are supposed to do and educate there children on life and the basics than they will know that above statement is true. Everyone just think of what these young adults are subject to everyday. The violence in the video games, drugs !! Lets be honest with ourselves and each other thats how everyone across the board gets ratings ! Do i think it is a up selling product ! No ! You always will have people in society that don't know better and this is one of those cases. But do i think the percentage of COCAINE ENERGY DRINK YOUNG ADULTS THAT THINK THAT IF THE DRINK IS OK 2 DRINK THAN THE DRUG CAN BE SO MUCH BETTER ! ARE SAYING LET ME TRY IT ! THATS LUDICROUS ! ALWAYS REMEMBER IT COULD BE ALOT WORSE !! SO LIVE AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE AND DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL S*** BECAUSE THATS WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY KILL YOU !!

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                          • #58
                            Climax,
                            Do you really think that James Kirby is living the American Dream? How can he be living a dream when he is marketing a drink that is named after a hideous drug that has ruined many lives, families, and careers? Furthermore, getting into the ED market for 6 months or so is not the American dream. How much money can one make in 6 months on a volume based product:Figure 2 months for rollout, 1 month of sales, 3 months of a quick and painful death due to BAD publicity. How can you make a ton of money in that short of time? NY city has banned the drink, Students of CSU are organizing a law suit against Redux for marketing a product that is inmoral and scandalous in nature,and the FTC is coming down on them for heavily marketing the drink as a "legal alternative to cocaine" on a website popular with teenagers(my space). Kirby is not genius....he is a dumbass.
                            Who's money is he using to market this product? I hope it is his because I sure as hell hope no one else is helping him turn the ED category into a slime ball hit and run segment of the Beverage industry that preys on ignorance, misconceptions, and personal vulnerabilities as well as the fragile social fabric of teenagers and adolescents who have fallen victim of the culture of drug use and its percieved "coolness' perpetrated by companies like Redux.
                            Whether you think can or think you can\'t, you\'re probably right!

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                            • #59
                              Just a thought from my younger days back in the 70's. Some people (not me of course) would buy Zig Zag rolling papers until a brand named TOP came out. We were smart enough to figure out that TOP spelled backward was POT! Genious marketing?
                              banned

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                              • #60
                                There is no defense for this product. How in your right mind can you ever support this product. This type of product gives ED's a bad rap. You are totally irresponsible if you manufacture, distribute or retail this type of product.

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