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  • #31
    Originally posted by deepnenergy View Post
    In Mexico Yohimbine is illegal??? Is it not illegal in most others countries as well? why?
    It is illegal in a lot of countries, Why? I do not know. There are a lot of substances that are illegal in the States that are illegal elsewhere and vice-a-versa.
    Could be cultural, religious, tradition, etc.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by greg View Post
      It is illegal in a lot of countries, Why? I do not know. There are a lot of substances that are illegal in the States that are illegal elsewhere and vice-a-versa.
      Could be cultural, religious, tradition, etc.
      I found this...


      Yohimbine is a selective competitive alpha2-adrenergic receptor antagonist that is sometimes used as an alternative treatment for erectile dysfunction.[2] The alpha2 receptor is responsible for sensing adrenaline and noradrenaline and telling the body to decrease its production as part of a negative feedback loop. Yohimbine supposedly acts as antagonist, or a blocker, by binding to alpha2 receptors but not activating them. This in turn increases adrenal gland production of adrenaline and noradrenaline. Yohimbine also antagonizes several serotonin receptor subtypes: 1A (inhibitory, behaivoral control), 1B (inhibitory, vasoconstriction), 1D (inhibitory, vasoconstriction), and 2B (smooth muscle contraction). Since yohimbine is an antagonist, it will decrease the effects of these receptors, thus causing excitation, vasodilation, and smooth muscle relaxation. Yohimbine is also said to increase dopamine and have some actions as an MAOI, although these mechanisms are unknown.

      Higher doses of oral yohimbine may create numerous side effects such as rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, and overstimulation. Yohimbine might produce anxiety, and is thought to cause insomnia and sleeplessness in some users.
      Last edited by deepnenergy; 09-20-2007, 01:23 PM. Reason: removed text
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      • #33
        Other than the last paragraph can you tell me what that excerpt said and how Yohimbine reacts on the central nervous system?

        Yohimbine is like any other compound, natural or synthetic, that if used as directed is a safe product, in my opinion.
        I do not know where this information came from but it is like many statements by medical journals, the FDA, or a group that opposes use of certain compounds. It used words and phrases like "sometimes, may cause, also said to, may create, might produce, etc".

        A lot of the "rules" if you will came from CODEX. CODEX is, in their mind, the international agency responsible for telling people what they can and can not ingest into their bodies. It is highly political as well as bureaurocratic and market(read BIG PHARMA) driven.
        Codex started out in the EU and soon many countries around the World adopted their mantras in order to "toe the line". However, the United States, being one of the last truly free nations(and that can be questioned) would not walk the the thin line of trampling over its citizens right to choose, but since have acquiesed on some "regulations"
        This same organization wanted to push through a referendum that would make the availablity of Vitamins to be by prescription only!!!!!
        That is a better definition of why some substances are legal in the States and not elsewhere.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by greg View Post
          Other than the last paragraph can you tell me what that excerpt said and how Yohimbine reacts on the central nervous system?

          Yohimbine is like any other compound, natural or synthetic, that if used as directed is a safe product, in my opinion.
          I do not know where this information came from but it is like many statements by medical journals, the FDA, or a group that opposes use of certain compounds. It used words and phrases like "sometimes, may cause, also said to, may create, might produce, etc".

          A lot of the "rules" if you will came from CODEX. CODEX is, in their mind, the international agency responsible for telling people what they can and can not ingest into their bodies. It is highly political as well as bureaurocratic and market(read BIG PHARMA) driven.
          Codex started out in the EU and soon many countries around the World adopted their mantras in order to "toe the line". However, the United States, being one of the last truly free nations(and that can be questioned) would not walk the the thin line of trampling over its citizens right to choose, but since have acquiesed on some "regulations"
          This same organization wanted to push through a referendum that would make the availablity of Vitamins to be by prescription only!!!!!
          That is a better definition of why some substances are legal in the States and not elsewhere.
          What? "Yohimbine is like any other compound, natural or synthetic, that if used as directed is a safe product, in my opinion". What? since when is Yohimbine like any other compound?




          You should be a lobbyist, LOL...in my opinion.


          The Rest...

          Some internet shops sell expensive formulations of yohimbine for transdermal delivery to effect a local reduction of adipose tissue, although there is no evidence that it is effective. Demand for products of this kind is frequently found in the bodybuilding community.

          Yohimbine chloride -- a standardized form of yohimbine-- is a prescription medicine that has been used to treat erectile dysfunction. [3] Controlled studies suggest that it is not always an effective treatment for impotence, and evidence of increased sex drive (libido) is anecdotal only [5]. It has significant side effects such as anxiety reactions. According to the Mayo Clinic, yohimbine can be dangerous if used in excessive amounts.

          the sorce... Yohimbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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          • #35
            Originally posted by deepnenergy View Post
            What? "Yohimbine is like any other compound, natural or synthetic, that if used as directed is a safe product, in my opinion". What? since when is Yohimbine like any other compound?




            You should be a lobbyist, LOL...in my opinion.


            The Rest...

            Some internet shops sell expensive formulations of yohimbine for transdermal delivery to effect a local reduction of adipose tissue, although there is no evidence that it is effective. Demand for products of this kind is frequently found in the bodybuilding community.

            Yohimbine chloride -- a standardized form of yohimbine-- is a prescription medicine that has been used to treat erectile dysfunction. [3] Controlled studies suggest that it is not always an effective treatment for impotence, and evidence of increased sex drive (libido) is anecdotal only [5]. It has significant side effects such as anxiety reactions. According to the Mayo Clinic, yohimbine can be dangerous if used in excessive amounts.

            the sorce... Yohimbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            I guess my grammer was misunderstood. I thought I had the comas in the right place.
            I am not comparing yohimbine to all other products, I am stating that yohimbine, like "other" products such as aspirin, prescription medicines, even AAS can be used safely if used as directed and not abused. Alcohol has positive benefits to the body if used in a manner that is not abusive. Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids are used to treat patients with certain muscle wasting diseases effectively and pose little to no danger to the patient as long as they are used as directed.

            Also, be careful using an open source reference data base to build your argument on. Wikepedia is for the most part accurate, but I wouldn't use it to back my assertions. There are many instances where the information is completely erroneous.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by greg View Post
              I guess my grammer was misunderstood. I thought I had the comas in the right place.
              I am not comparing yohimbine to all other products, I am stating that yohimbine, like "other" products such as aspirin, prescription medicines, even AAS can be used safely if used as directed and not abused. Alcohol has positive benefits to the body if used in a manner that is not abusive. Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids are used to treat patients with certain muscle wasting diseases effectively and pose little to no danger to the patient as long as they are used as directed.

              Also, be careful using an open source reference data base to build your argument on. Wikepedia is for the most part accurate, but I wouldn't use it to back my assertions. There are many instances where the information is completely erroneous.
              Below is the link to Drug Digest that follows a long list of references...


              Yohimbe - Drugs & Vitamins - Drug Library - DrugDigest

              Read for your self ... now I will head over to the other thread that you carried this over too and answer you there as well...I am done arguing with you; it's like dealing with my two girls 10 & 12. And yes for you to say "it's just like everything else" is what you said....you misspoke I did not misunderstand

              Wine has positive effects not booze; yes the grape has many properties that help with blood, heart, musicals, and is a great anti-toxin. Don't try and compare Yohimbine to stuff that is approved as safe...What study have you made to say it is safe at any level? So far what do the studies tell you about it. It took over 40 years before aspirin was named good for heart health in some people...hear that some people, 40 years of research...

              The biggest thing I have a problem with is...you say use as directed and you believe, I mean really believe that someone won't drink two or more (beacuse they are Big giant 8oz servings) because you say that? O wait someone(s) has, what happened?
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              • #37
                Deep,
                Your anger is mis directed. I did not "mis-speak" I used correct grammer with correct punctuation. You "mis read".
                I did not say "booze" was good for you, I used the term "alcohol" . Alcohol comes in many forms and even if it is Vodka, a bourbon, or some other distilled product it can have positve benefits in the human body, again, if it is not abused. You put words in my mouth.

                You criticize me for saying "if used as directed" and for me believing that a product is safe if it is indeed used as directed. However, then you criticize me for not thinkng about someone taking 2 servings or more....I can not control what people do, all I can do is direct them on how to use the product.
                Where woul dbe in this country if we had to baby sit the American Public on all of the consumer goods out there?

                When looking at the article you linked I noticed that it gives mild to severe examples of side effects. These side effects started at the most severe amounts of 50mgs to the least severe at 20 mgs. I know my drink does not have anywhere near the 20 mg doses. I bring up this example due to the fact the article, in my view, is giving examples of abuse, not a normal dose which it does cite as having positive influence on serotonin levels as well as positive effects on smooth muscle tissue.

                We have speed limits on the highway yet we have cars that can go twice as fast as the posted speed limit, do we blame the manufacturer for a driver making the decision to speed?
                I see you are one the people that would like to blame McDonalds for obesity and not the person who makes the conscious decision to eat there 5-6 times a week. Where is the personal responsibility?
                Last edited by greg; 09-24-2007, 12:54 PM.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by greg View Post
                  Deep,
                  Your anger is mis directed. I did not "mis-speak" I used correct grammer with correct punctuation. You "mis read".
                  I did not say "booze" was good for you, I used the term "alcohol" . Alcohol comes in many forms and even if it is Vodka, a bourbon, or some other distilled product it can have positve benefits in the human body, again, if it is not abused. You put words in my mouth.

                  You criticize me for saying "if used as directed" and for me believing that a product is safe if it is indeed used as directed. However, then you criticize me for not thinkng about someone taking 2 servings or more....I can not control what people do, all I can do is direct them on how to use the product.
                  Where woul dbe in this country if we had to baby sit the American Public on all of the consumer goods out there?

                  When looking at the article you linked I noticed that it gives mild to severe examples of side effects. These side effects started at the most severe amounts of 50mgs to the least severe at 20 mgs. I know my drink does not have anywhere near the 20 mg doses. I bring up this example due to the fact the article, in my view, is giving examples of abuse, not a normal dose which it does cite as having positive influence on serotonin levels as well as positive effects on smooth muscle tissue.

                  We have speed limits on the highway yet we have cars that can go twice as fast as the posted speed limit, do we blame the manufacturer for a driver making the decision to speed?
                  I see you are one the people that would like to blame McDonalds for obesity and not the person who makes the conscious decision to eat there 5-6 times a week. Where is the personal responsibility?
                  <<<Greg>> Yohimbine is like any other compound, natural or synthetic, that if used as directed is a safe product, in my opinion.

                  Sounds like you???„?re comparing to me, but I must be "Mis-reading" or didn't see the comma that changed the meaning.

                  I did not say "booze" was good for you, I used the term "alcohol"

                  Really what is the difference...this is a poor attempt to attack the way of expressing one's self. I do not have the time to have anger, plus at your price point you are one of my best selling tools. I am not angry with you Greg.


                  <<Greg>> You criticize me for saying "if used as directed" and for me believing that a product is safe if it is indeed used as directed. However, then you criticize me for not thinking about someone taking 2 servings or more....I can not control what people do, all I can do is direct them on how to use the product.

                  No just in the manner you said it.

                  This is where we are different... You can't or don't want to see the fact of ingredients vs. consumption levels? RL like Spike and Rage are very strong, Yes you can control the consumption by the amount of liquid one has to consume to get that energy... Bad excuses to get away from the responsibly to the GP, IMO.

                  <<Greg>>Where would dbe in this country if we had to baby sit the American Public on all of the consumer goods out there?

                  It is every manufactures duty to do this or we would have a bunch of things like "lead paint". See we look out and they watch us and I know you don't like hearing that but they are watching....

                  <<Greg>> When looking at the article you linked I noticed that it gives mild to severe examples of side effects. These side effects started at the most severe amounts of 50mgs to the least severe at 20 mgs. I know my drink does not have anywhere near the 20 mg doses. I bring up this example due to the fact the article, in my view, is giving examples of abuse, not a normal dose which it does cite as having positive influence on serotonin levels as well as positive effects on smooth muscle tissue.

                  Your right no one knows the amount you use... how long does it take for it to leave your system in the event someone does drink say two in a hour or so? for the most public that doesn???„?t go and lift... I only linked that because you said the info I provided was not reliable enough.

                  << Greg>> We have speed limits on the highway yet we have cars that can go twice as fast as the posted speed limit, do we blame the manufacturer for a driver making the decision to speed?
                  I see you are one the people that would like to blame McDonalds for obesity and not the person who makes the conscious decision to eat there 5-6 times a week. Where is the personal responsibility?[/QUOTE]

                  The supper size me statement great!... I don???„?t blame Mc Donald???„?s for Obesity, I blame them for adding sugar to everything and even their salad they washed in sugar water, THAT they have changed since the release of the movie and have stopped suggesting supper size...they seen their mistake and corrected it. As for the roads that is why we pay police to keep the roads safe and the trust people develop for consumer products does not warrant your statement.

                  OK, what???„?s next?
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